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    Quote Originally Posted by frogboy
    Obliterate doesn't destory Aluren.
    It was a joke. I was just saying that it always makes more sense *not* to pass the turn. Helps to be instant speed, too.

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    hey slay can we get a list of your deck to compare with. I agree that the speed build is better and that is what i have played since last extended season and i am now looking to convert this deck. Thx :)

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    Hallo
    Today i gave this version of Aluren a try to go through 2 wonderul hours of goldfishing with me. After some trouble at the beginning with too many hands that looked like combo for casual player with kills around turn 8-10, I got better in playing it and down to protected combos between turn 4-6 which was quite impressive.
    I think that some people who've been sceptical about this build, should give it a try. Even the point which was mentioned that Aluren should have a "win now" combo finish, should try to stop three 1002/1001 and up to four 1001/1002 flying and five 1002/1002 critters with no nonland permanent in play, nothing except of lands in your hand and 3 Force of Wills plus 3 blue pitchtargets and a therapy in your opponents hand.
    Don't forget the near infinite life.

    I think the mainboard needs an additional Spike Force, because it can help you against fast aggrodecks with burn or a pure burn deck, because now you can tutor for Spike Force with Intuition without paying too much life for cavern harpies ability.

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    How is this deck better than Fruity Pebbles or Bomberman?

    You still need a 4cc card and other combo pieces that are crap without it, but the mana base in Pebbles and Bomberman both are way more solid, and have better combo protection via duress, therapy, burn, stp, ect.
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    If you are going to use Aluren in 1.5 it should look like the old Extended version with some new cards. Like Imperial Recruiter from P3K, he is a 2R 1/1 creature that says "When Imperial Recruiter comes into play, search your library for a creature with power 2 or less, reveal that card, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library." You can cut some of your living wishes and play 3 to 4 of these. Another good card is Lim-Dul's Vault, you can pretty much look at 20 cards atleast with only losing 3 life and then stack your deck for 5 turns. My friend played Aluren at GP:Philly and he went x-2 and lost on tiebreakers for day 2 but then we found out about these cards and made Aluren nuts.

    4 Aluren
    2 Living Wish
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Cabal Therapy
    2 Intuition
    2 Lim-Dul's Vault
    2 Lotus Pedal

    3 Cavern Harpy
    1 Auriok Champion
    3 Imperial Recruiter
    4 Birds of Paradise
    4 Wall of Blossems
    3 Raven Familiar
    1 Cloud of Faries

    4 Poluted Delta
    3 Wooded Foothills
    2 Underground Sea
    4 Tropical Island
    4 Bayou
    2 Forest
    1 Island
    1 Swamp

    Sideboard:
    3 Naturalize
    3 Pernicious Deed
    1 Volrath's Stronghold
    1 Maggot Carrier
    1 Imperial Recruiter
    1 Stern Proctor
    1 Auriok Champion
    1 Cavern Harpy
    1 Bone Shredder
    1 Raven Familiar
    1 Eternal Witness


    Another form of Aluren I was building for fun in Extended was one that played Myr Retriver, Junkdiver, and Eternal Witness with Goblin Bombardment. Sort of like the Fruity Peebles build and you play Academy Rector. Just a fun deck but the one above is sick. If we had that build for Philly we would of made Day 2 easy.

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    I kind of like the Imperial Recruiter idea. Aluren + Recruiter: GG, which is nice.

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    SAd thing is we didn't find out about him until the end of Day 1, sadness. Oh well we have the list and hopefully I will be playing it for the Duel4Duals at GP:richmond.

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    i also thought on recruiter some days ago, and I searched it in shops, but the thing is that it is really hard to find 4 of them

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    Well considering they are out of Portal Three Kingdoms and Star City Games sells them at $20 a piece and only have 1, you more then likely won't find them.

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    That's the problem with all the good cards from the Portal sets. We need to see some reprints, just of the good ones.

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    yes, like the starter one's, but we have the same problems with other cards, so I think they won't reprint it...
    just try to play without it in paper, but it's great to internet playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by fear_these
    If you are going to use Aluren in 1.5 it should look like the old Extended version with some new cards.
    What most of the people here don't seem to realize is that the Aluren build my friends ran at GP Lille *is* the old Extended build. The old Extended from before 2002. Back then, Maggot Carrier was Extended legal. Soul Warden was Extended legal. Cloud of Faeries was Extended legal. But for some reason, these Aluren builds were running Spike Feeder and Man'O-Wars. There is a good reason for that: these builds are just better. No dead card. This is key. You don't want to clog up your hand with crap cards like Maggot Carrier or Soul Warden. Spike Feeder kills a Piledriver and still gives you 4 life. Man'O-War gives tempo and can act as creature removal with Cabal Therapy. It also pitches to FOW if needed. What do Auriok Champion do until you get Aluren on the board? It stays in your hand until you draw Brainstorm. Crap.

    Imperial Recruiter is bad. It's Red, so you can't hardcast It.

    Living Wish got tested and cut. It's completely out of Legacy's tempo, there is not a single matchup where you have time to cast It properly. And It gives you a terrible sideboard.

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    @Toad
    I also do not like Living Wish. I've never been a fan of not having a real sideboard.
    As far as Imperial Recruiter is concerned he's good, and can fetch all the creatures in the deck. He allowes you to combo off with much less life requirement. It only takes a very small splash to be able to cast him, and then you get to run a nonattack phase win condition in Ghittu Slinger.
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    Re: [Deck] Aluren - 100% made Top32 in Lille =)

    Hi Toad..

    I'm really falling in love with the deck. Feel like I'm finally playing true magic when I pilot this deck. There are som many interactions between the cards, as you have already said. You get the feeling that you are playing a deck, that just happens to have a combo in it. Not like any tensrils-deck, that HAS to win in one turn, and where half of the cards are dead.

    Aluren and salvagers-combo are the kind of combo-decks I like, because almost all of their cards interact outside the combo.

    I'm interesting in a little explanation regarding the sideboard Toad. How do you sideboard in the games you have tested? and what are the crucial points in every matchup? these are things that all could really help me with deck

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren - 100% made Top32 in Lille =)

    I think it is time to ping this thread. With Dissension this deck got 2 new cards, that really help the deck:

    Coiling Oracle
    UG, Creature - Snake Elf Druid 1/1
    When Coiling Oracle comes into play, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it into play. Otherwise, put that card into your hand.

    Court Hussar
    2U, Creature - Vedalken Knight 1/3
    Vigilance
    When Court Hussar comes into play, look at the top three cards of your library, then put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
    When Court Hussar comes into play, sacrifice it unless {W} was spent to play it.

    Both are really nice without Aluren and combo with Cavern Harpy. Coiling Oracle can help accelerating Mana. Furthermore it chumps and cantrips towards Aluren.

    The Ghitu Slinger is in the deck, because it kills Wretches, Meddling Mages and gives the opportunity for an instant kill, which will improve the Solidarity matchup. I think it is a nice addition but you can also replace it with an additional Wall of Blossoms / Tinder Wall. I would like to play both of them as a 4-of, but can't find any more room for it.

    I think Tinder Wall is better than Wall of Roots. Both allow to get infinite Mana with other Combo pieces, but Tinder Wall is a nice 1-drop and makes Turn2-Kills possible. It also blocks Lackey. Only in a strong Gro Meta (like GP Lille was) I would stick to Wall of Roots.

    This is the list I am testing online right now, and I plan to take it to our weekly tourney this friday.

    // Lands
    1 [R] Savannah
    4 [MM] Forest (4)
    3 [A] Bayou
    4 [B] Tropical Island
    1 [R] Taiga
    3 [ON] Windswept Heath
    3 [ON] Wooded Foothills

    // Creatures
    3 [IA] Tinder Wall
    3 [SH] Wall of Blossoms
    4 [DIS] Coiling Oracle
    4 [UL] Raven Familiar
    2 [DIS] Court Hussar
    2 [VI] Man-o'-War
    2 [FD] Eternal Witness
    2 [SH] Spike Feeder
    3 [PS] Cavern Harpy
    1 [UL] Ghitu Slinger

    // Spells
    3 [MM] Brainstorm
    3 [JU] Cabal Therapy
    2 [] Intuition
    1 [] Chain of Vapor
    2 [AL] Force of Will
    4 [TE] Aluren

    // Sideboard
    SB: 1 [JU] Cabal Therapy
    SB: 4 [7E] Duress
    SB: 3 [RAV] Darkblast
    SB: 4 [4E] Blue Elemental Blast
    SB: 3 [AP] Pernicious Deed

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren - 100% made Top32 in Lille =)

    Have you discounted Imperial Recruiter? Or do you not know of it's existance? It's an instant 2 card win, assuming they can't disrupt you. Speaking of which, that's the biggest problem I had with testing. If your opponent can do anything they will most likely be able to disrupt you. For that reason I took to running Xantid Swarm. It means I can go off unmollested after it attacks, and if they have an answer for it, that's 1 less answer they have for when I try and combo.

    Coiling Oracle does add a lot to the deck, though I'm not sure Court Husser is necessary at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigredmeanie
    Have you discounted Imperial Recruiter? Or do you not know of it's existance? It's an instant 2 card win, assuming they can't disrupt you.
    He already answered this.

    As for disruption, keep in mind that if you combo off you can get infinite Force of Wills, so getting disrupted isn't a problem. The whole deck is in a control shell, with a lot of disruption so you should be able to bide your time until you're covered.

    And Court Hussar is bad because the stacking tricks don't work. Coiling Oracle is harder to cast and less durable than Wall of Roots or Wall of Blossoms. No thank you.
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    Re: [Deck] Aluren - 100% made Top32 in Lille =)

    Quote Originally Posted by Anusien
    He already answered this.

    As for disruption, keep in mind that if you combo off you can get infinite Force of Wills, so getting disrupted isn't a problem. The whole deck is in a control shell, with a lot of disruption so you should be able to bide your time until you're covered.

    And Court Hussar is bad because the stacking tricks don't work. Coiling Oracle is harder to cast and less durable than Wall of Roots or Wall of Blossoms. No thank you.

    You don't seem to understand what I'm trying to say. If your opponent can do something once you cast Aluren, you won't be able to go infinite, therefore you won't have 'infinite' FoWs, most likely resulting in a game loss.

    As for Coiling Oracle, it's going to be better than at least Wall of Blossoms, in that it costs the same, is blue, and can accelerate you. Not to mention it can be bounced with Harpy.

    @ Imperial recruiter. Boo freaking who it's red, it's easy to cast, it's a pretty easy splash, and is GG as soon as you cast Aluren. If your going to play combo, than play combo and win in the same turn. It's also not dead, because it finds pieces directly instead of using Raven familiar, which is crap, to try and draw your way into what you need.

    Not playing Recruiter is like saying you don't need Demonic Tutor because Impulse is better.
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    Is Toad still around? I'd sure like to hear what he and his buddies have been doing with the deck since we last heard from him on Jan 21.

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    The problem with Coiling Oracle is that it is only a 1/1, where Wall of Blossoms is a beefy 0/4. Both draw you a card, therefore card advantage is the same. Coiling Oracle only gives you mana acceleration if you have already made your land drop for the turn. If you missed your land drop that turn, then it does not give you anything more than Wall of Blossoms does. Coiling Oracle does, however, give you more card advantage when a Carven Harpy can bounce it to your hand. However, the deck slot that we are talking about was originally intended to be a wall to slow down your opponent's attacking, giving you time to stabilize. The Oracle will only block once, making it inferior at the intended job of this slot. I believe the Wall of Blossoms is still the better choice. I wonder what Toad would say?

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren - 100% made Top32 in Lille =)

    Quote Originally Posted by worsel
    Is Toad still around? I'd sure like to hear what he and his buddies have been doing with the deck since we last heard from him on Jan 21.

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