What deck or archetype can this card be used in and why? I see this card being used in a very aggro heavy deck with little to no control elements. Creatures like Gatekeeper and shriek maw that double as creature kill so you dont have to hold them in your hand if you dont have targets. Possibly something with phyrexian obliterator or abyssal persecutor. Id imagine he works well with liliana of the veil as well.
This may be able to be used in a burn deck in conjunction with dark confidant.
How does this card fulfill the role of another card in an existing archetype more effectively than the card it would replace? I dont think he really replaces dark confidant because its conditional and can be turned on / off. It presents drawbacks and benefits. he begs to be played in a hellbent deck or an all in strategy possibly with red.
Is this card going to jump in price? right now its pretty cheap
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Its effect is pretty unique and the mana cost is cheap. Can even get effect the same turn it is put into play and also many times on each turn. A burn deck would not be able to take full advantech of blood scrivener. I am trying him out in a deadguy shell with tops and lilianas. With top you get to use the ability on the same turn it enters the battlefield when hellbent, if you would have 2 tops then you go crazy with them. Drawing as close to ancestral recall every turn.
Other drawing effects Im looking into are Horizon Canopy, Barren Moor and Gitaxian Probe.
Other possibilities are combo decks where you keep cantriping and fastmana spells until you play enought spells and tendrills away.
Scrivener, Zombie Infestation and Beck would make a loop that makes zombie 2/2s.
Bg or Bgw aggro with confident / scrivener / liliana / troll / KotR / zombie infestation to discard my whole hand quickly and profit :)
I guess i'd loose hard :) but that would be funny...
Hey that's a modern deck also... !!
4x thoughtseize
4x Lotlhe troll
4x Blood scrivener
4x Dark confident
4x Zombie infestation
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Abrupt decay
4x Knight of the reliquary
4x Liliana of the veil
Seems crappy :p
SDT is probably the way to go since you can get up to two extra cards for a minimal investment.
Assuming you have 2 SDT and a discard outlet, you can go crazy as long as you have mana.
Blood Scrivener is certainly an interesting creature, and a rather good one, but I believe he has less application than it would initially seem. Even in the most inefficient of decks, he rarely pops naturally. You have to force yourself to zero cards. Liliana would seem like the natural pick, but even then you're relying on Liliana surviving. Which, if she does, you're probably in a good spot regardless of the synergy. Another option is a forced discard of your hand into effectively topdeck mode. For example: Zombie Infestation. It's a rather neat idea and admittedly one I hadn't thought of, but it still falls prey to the same problem as every other generic hellbent. One well timed StP or Bolt or Abrupt Decay takes the biggest shit in your Cornflakes.
The best use I've found so far for Blood Scrivener is the interesting synergy of him with Dangerous Wager. It makes Standstill look like trash. Though I've only gotten this to really work well in Modern/Standard.
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A black/green Vengevine madness sort of build could use him fairly reasonably. You'd have Liliana and Mongrel and whatnot for discard outlets, Rootwallas, Vengevine, BGH, Fauna Shamans, etc. Maybe just jam one in to slow roll other dude-swarm decks?
He seems like a good fit for Dredge, since they have reasonable numbers of discard outlets, but two mana and really only being great long-term doesn't seem like a natural fit.
Rb burn would be a good home, but using DC and Scrivener instead of things like Goblin Guide and whatnot seems like it would slow burn down too much.
There's gotta be a fragile combo deck that can use him. Scrivener turns Cantrips into absurd things, Cadaverous Bloom could keep the mana rolling to keep cantripping, etc. It would be tricky filtering it all into U mana or finding enough cheap stuff in Black/Green to do it, but I'm sure you could.
What's the play here? I'm confused how you would do this every turn.
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I thought we already decided the tech was
Beck // Call
Blood Scrivener
Zombie Infestation
with singleton Flame-Kin Zealot and Dread Return.
Honestly, though, I'm not convinced that this thing is that big a deal. You still have to lose 1 life for each draw that it actually replaces - it's not optional. So whatever your 'combo' actually is, you have to achieve it within the allowance of your life total. And if you're just using it to replace or complement Dark Confidant, well, then you're not playing Bob, so :(
Maybe I'll give it a shot in my "stop laughing at my Caves of Koilos" BW Deadguy for the impoverished. But it only really works if you're topdecking, so meh.
Get hand down to 0, draw with SDT --> 2 cards, play/discard stuff down to 0, activate your second SDT, draw extra card and replay SDT 1, rinse, repeat.
For what it's worth, Blood Scrivener also seems pretty silly with Baubles like Mishra's Bauble/Urza's Bauble. Throw in some Glissa, the Traitor for good measure and you have a CA engine.
All hinged around a fragile 2/1 pro-nothing.
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Oh I'm an idiot, I thought Scrivener only worked during your draw phase... smh.
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I think the hardest part about fitting this guy snugly into a deck will be the phrase "Why not just use Dark Confidant?" Any deck that uses this card at all must have strong synergistic ties with drawing cards outside if the draw step.
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The big advantage of scrivener over bob, of course, is not hitting oneself in the face for 8 when playing tombstalker. The draw condition makes it really tough to profit from, but ideas like iamajellydonut's Dangerous Wager sure are interesting.
4 bobs are never enought! Everytime a mulligan happends you really hope you get the bob to stick to recoup the card disadvantech with bob and bloodbob its very much possible its even favored to mull to them. Bloodbob goes online faster when you are unfortunate to have to go down to 6, 5 or even 4 cards.
May as well just play Grafted Skullcap then and get it over with. You don't even lose any life that way!
4 Mana vs 2 mana is quite big diffrence.
I would try it in Affinity.
Please stop talking about whether Force of Will is broken or not. It obviously is, and rather than "the glue that holds vintage together" it would be better to call it "the rug under which you hide the filth until there's so much that you can no longer conceal it".
Well sure, but you talked about taking a 4 card hand like it was a good thing. Why would I ever mull to 4 to draw the 3 cards over three turns and pay 3 life for them to boot?
I mean I get that it rewards playing in Hellbent mode, but there are really precious few decks that want to get to that point. And those that do maybe don't want to have to cast a 2/1 and hope that it sticks long enough to matter a damn.
I will be trying some sort of zombie small pox deck
I will try the following strat :
Discard / simetrical discard (liliana smallpox) trying to get everyone in topdeck mode
Cards that resist discard (in a way) gravecrawler / bloodghast / some madness cards
Kill them with zombies
Maybe Splash red or blue for more draw or more reach
That is the plan but this has to be put to the test to sort out what works and what doesnt
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