Thats not possible. The Clone can't copy Emrakul if both enter the battlefield through the same SnT.Originally Posted by Gheizen64
By giving predictions on how these cards might change in price your subtly expressing your consent on how they are inevitably getting more expensive whereby your making it further easier to certain people to legitimate the raise in price by citing the 'increased demand', even though there's no significantly higher demand than before.
Think about it.
I guess you mean "into a second Emrakul", which is now worse than before for the SnT player because its opponent gets to attack first, right?
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Isn't it a bit early to call Cradle ban-worthy? Sure, it got a major upgrade and is fucking stupid with Crop Rotation, but I would at least wait for actual test results.
Dark Depths combo sounds sexy, but the token still dies to STP, bounce and potentially Edict effects (Jace and Liliana say hi!) and especially Karakas - and all of the latter cards got also a major boost with the rule change.
Edit: Ok, Planeswalkers not so much, since it can be used at instant speed EoT.
I can see Show and Tell going down in price.
Picture this:
Show and Tell Mirror: you resolve a Show and Tell and try to cheat Emrakul on the field. Only that your opponent does the same and cheats his/her own Emrakul. I don't play the deck so I don't know how to pilot against the mirror but if something like that was pulled off, you'd be dead next turn against your opponent's Emrakul and there's nothing you can do about it. Sure you can have an Emrakul face off but you still have to face the annihilator 6.
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
Just ordered 4 x near mint Dark Depths $15.5 each. Setting up Stage-Depths combo sounds really good and easy in Maverick.
On first glance through the list of legendary lands, Gemstone Caverns seems like it might get a tiny price bump. Some Modern decks might enjoy the ability to get two mana from lands on turn one, and the drawback of drawing one while you're going off doesn't really exist because you can still get a mana out of the second one if you haven't played a land for the turn.
Not the most amazing thing ever, but enough to see it get above its current dollar price tag.
I'd also expect to see Vesuva going up. IIRC, it should do the same thing as Stage, without the mana but requiring Depths to already be on the field.
Also also, Wasteland will go up in accordance to the popularity of the Dark Depths combo. If it ends up in every deck, Wasteland will definitely see more play and go up in price.
Dark Stage won't be in every deck because Thespian Stage is a colourless land. It's best run in a deck that is mono coloured, dual coloured or even mono brown (MUD). MUD can run 4 Thespian Stage as just random brown lands and play a few copies of Depths with 4X Expedition map as a tutor. The deck needs a huge tweak (dropping Chalice) to make this work and I'm not sure its worth it.
The 2 decks/colour combinations I see doing well with stage is GW Maverick and GB Dark Stage Combo. The combo is stupidly easy to splash into the Mav deck and KOTR already is a built in Tutor. Green also gives you Crop Rotation for the extra tutor power. White gives you Mother of Runes which is a pretty good protection piece. Also, the Mav deck still has a primary plan of hate bears and smashing face. Dark Stage is just a back up plan to break ground stalls or to Auto Win out of nowhere.
GB Dark Stage is a dedicated combo deck with Thoughtseize, Inquistion of Kozilek, Deathrites, Bob, Goyf, Abrupt decay etc. It's GB good stuff but with Crop Rotation, Urborg and Dark Depths/Thespian's Stage. This deck has been around as the default legacy dark depths deck, but now Living Wish & Vampire Hexmage can be dropped because crop rotation is just much better. The deck definitely got stronger with the ruling change.
I don't think it needs a huge tweak at all. You can just run 2 or max 3 dark depths, without relying on expedition map. Thespian Stage can copy City of Traitors which is sort of neat.
For those of you who don't play show and tell but are speculating.. This won't effect show and tell. Games that are won in the mirror are won with through the breach and sneak attack because show and tell sucks.
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Stoneforge is not legendary?
The best use of Image before was killing troublesome Legends, I don't see how this ruling makes it any better of a card.
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Anyone think Notion Thief will spike?
The argument always was that JTMS was the best answer to an opponent's JTMS, but now that that is no longer the case, Notion Thief looks a lot better.
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Only if you have some way to get the Clone into play at Instant speed after they cast Show and Tell (you can't copy Emrakul with the Clone if you put it into play with Show and Tell). Otherwise it's worse. Before they could Show and Tell and you could cast the Clone next turn to destroy it, but now you can cast the clone, get an Emrakul...and still have to deal with a swing from Emrakul before you can attack with your own.
Though if you have an Instant speed way to get the Clone into play (e.g. Aethar Vial), then it is worse for the Show and Tell player because you can untap and attack with your Emrakul clone next turn.
Not sure if it has been said yet our not. Mox Opals are 40 and geist of saint traft has already gone up as well
Time to that mono blue version that doesn't fuck around then. Or just not cast it in the mirror
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I agree. Cradle isn't more broke then what is already possible.
Cradle at 150 SCG
No sane person buys from SCG. Why even bother naming their absurd prices?
Because those numbers reflect how people measure the relative value of their cards. You may not agree with the specific numerical value, but regardless of what the number is, when it goes up or down it means something. That meaning, separate from the number, is what we are interested in here. Cmon People!
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