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    Re: [Deck] 8Tezz.dec - UB Tezzeret

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    I haven't played this deck but isn't Karn, the Great Creator, scientifically speaking, 'fucking insane' for this deck?
    I believe 'fucking insane' is the consensus within the scientific community, although more studies are needed.

  2. #1362

    Re: [Deck] 8Tezz.dec - UB Tezzeret

    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    What do you have thatís cmc=1? I thought tezzerator builds were basically devoid of anything cmc 1 cuz of chalice?
    Blast Zone on 1 doesn't do anything against this deck

    Blast Zone on 2 does everything against this deck

    (Blast Zone on 3 or 4 kinda suck for us too, depending on what we have)

  3. #1363

    Re: [Deck] 8Tezz.dec - UB Tezzeret

    so i've been thinking more about the tezzerator deck. I think there's potential for a UB PW-heavy artefacts deck with things like the new karn, tezzerets, new narset, and things like howling mine, mycosynth lattice, anvil of bogardan as wincons, draw engines, and so on. I don't think there's space in painter, but possibly in tezzerator. Being creature-less also means that we're a lot less likely to get blown out by terminus and all that rubbish.

    Also, new saheeli would churn out massive numbers of 1/1s that we can use as an alternate wincon too.

    maybe it's also worth splashing red for daretti. But I'm a bit wary being so greedy with mana.
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    Re: [Deck] 8Tezz.dec - UB Tezzeret

    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    So i'm a solidarity and painter player who realised that the painter build i'm going for looks suspiciously close to these tezzerator builds i've been seeing pottering around. Naturally, i figured i'd give the deck a spin.
    Welcome fellow Board Control player!

    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    I can also see that y'all tezzerator players are also experimenting with the new karn; it seems like it's really going to affect the meta pretty hard.
    I've been running 1 TinyKarn as a wishboard engine. I'm down to 1 Bridge main since he represents one for a slight delay. Being able to have access to 1 Sword and 1 Foundry in the board is also great.

    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    I've a few questions though. chalice is the main lock piece; but are there others that should be used?
    You've cracked open one of the core discussions about how this style of deck should be played. The 3-color variants (mostly utilizing Mox Diamond) will typically run either a crucible package or occasionally more diverse lock pieces. The straight UB deck is less explosive, so it typically can't get locks on the ground before they are behind, so it can afford to defer to more expensive reactive answers like Damnation or The Abyss. I've argued before that true 'Stax'-style prison control is borderline unplayable in modern Legacy since it fumbles if it ever gets behind and answers are so efficient now.

    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    Also, is there a reason you don't run muddle the mixture? it finds both halves of the thopter/sword, and can also be used as a counter. Is it too slow/limiting?
    It's too slow. Transmute Artifact is insane, and I've frequently argued that even something like Whir is too slow. This deck will occasionally just whoopsie-doodle Thopter/Sword turn 2.

    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    (i've been putting off geting transmute artefacts, but those seem very good!):
    Much like Tabernacle, it's an old card that does a specific thing very, very well. At least Drop of Honey got a functional reprint - WotC has mostly learned their lesson with printing Tinker-esque effects. You don't *need* an Abyss or Chains to play the deck, but I genuinely believe that not having at least 2 Transmutes is just not taking advantage of some of the power level of the format.

    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    I think there's potential for a UB PW-heavy artefacts deck with things like the new karn, tezzerets, new narset, and things like howling mine, mycosynth lattice, anvil of bogardan as wincons, draw engines, and so on. I don't think there's space in painter, but possibly in tezzerator. Being creature-less also means that we're a lot less likely to get blown out by terminus and all that rubbish.

    Also, new saheeli would churn out massive numbers of 1/1s that we can use as an alternate wincon too.

    maybe it's also worth splashing red for daretti. But I'm a bit wary being so greedy with mana.
    There's been a Turbo-Narset list formenting in the back of my head for a while now (spoiler alert it includes Stasis), and Anvil is a natural match. But I think you're wholly abandoning the 4-CMC engine, and I honestly don't even know if you run Sol Lands anymore if you aren't trying to make 2 on 1 and 4 on 2 - if you aren't trying to win with Thopter Sword, Tezz becomes much less attractive, and I don't know if you want such a mana-intensive wincon, Stasis or no.
    Check out my Legacy UBTezz Primer. Chalice of the Void: Keeping Magic Fair.
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  5. #1365

    Re: [Deck] 8Tezz.dec - UB Tezzeret

    Hello guys. I try to use this list. Any ideas ???

    Mainboard [60]

    4x Baleful Strix
    3x Tribute Mage
    2x Walking Ballista

    4x Thoughtcast

    4x Force of Will
    2x Spell Pierce

    2x Karn, Scion of Urza
    4x Karn, the Great Creator
    1x Tezzeret, Artifice Master

    4x Chalice of the Void
    2x Dimir Signet
    3x Lotus Petal
    3x Mox Opal
    1x Sword of the Meek
    2x Thopter Foundry

    4x Ancient Tomb
    2x Cavern of Souls
    2x City of Traitors
    2x Glimmervoid
    1x Inventors' Fair
    3x Island
    4x Seat of the Synod
    1x Vault of Whispers


    Sideboard [15]

    1x Walking Ballista
    1x Sai, Master Thopterist
    2x Padeem, Consul of Innovation

    2x Toxic Deluge

    2x Flusterstorm

    1x Ensnaring Bridge
    1x Mycosynth Lattice
    1x Sorcerous Spyglass
    1x Thopter Foundry
    2x Tormod's Crypt
    1x Sword of the Meek

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    Re: [Deck] 8Tezz.dec - UB Tezzeret

    Quote Originally Posted by NickDoom View Post
    Hello guys. I try to use this list. Any ideas ???
    I don't like most board control lists that reach with cards like Lotus petal, because it's too easy to cleanly answer most all-ins in the format right now. If you're not trying to kill them the turn you are saccing petal, you're going to be so behind.

    Honestly, you might get better feedback on a thread more focused on the Turbo-Karn idea.
    Check out my Legacy UBTezz Primer. Chalice of the Void: Keeping Magic Fair.
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