[Primer] Elves!

[dte]

. I think it's b/c he wants you to rap about why the set 4-offs are the set 4-offs in this deck, lol.

And since when nettle is a set 4-off?
The only set 4-offs are DRS, wirewood, visionary, glimpse, GSZ, Gaea's cradle
Quirion is almost a set 4-off (more than nettle).

Nettle, heritage, NO are ok at 3 or 4 MD (though I agree nettle is often the first one to be maximize among these 3).

[Lemnear]

And since when nettle is a set 4-off?
The only set 4-offs are DRS, wirewood, visionary, glimpse, GSZ, Gaea's cradle
Quirion is almost a set 4-off (more than nettle).

Nettle, heritage, NO are ok at 3 or 4 MD (though I agree nettle is often the first one to be maximize among these 3).

Nettle is essential for the beatdown plan and works not only with Heritage but also Birchlores for mana production. It sure is more valuable than Heritage #4, but the real question is, what the decklist looks like if there's no space for 4 Nettles at all.


edit:

Back on topic: What's keeping the deck down at the moment/how do we combat it without killing the deck? All I can come up with at this moment boils down to "Turn this deck into a worse version of The Rock/Nic Fit".

There is a problem between S&T variants and Miracles as two of the formats top decks Elves can barely touch. I can only point at more MB Sages to blow up CB/Batterskull/Vial and to drop in a S&T to kill Omniscience immediately, rather than using it as a 1-off tutor target which you can hardly access post S&T/CB. Imo there are more than enough targets out there to justify such a move

[MD.Ghost]

Nettle is essential for the beatdown plan and works not only with Heritage but also Birchlores for mana production. It sure is more valuable than Heritage #4, but the real question is, what the decklist looks like if there's no space for 4 Nettles at all.

It looks like mine : http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=16540&iddeck=123771

I have to cut my Ooze for the Playset Nettle - with only 3 Heritage (and a more than grindy Maindeck) Nettle lost some Power. Ooze also is also a 2/2 Beater like Nettle, but compared to the Elf it can grow much bigger

@Omnitell: Maindeck Sage + Ruric (he is the real deal) helps a lot game 1, think about a side tech like: 4x Discard 2x Flusterstorm instead of 6x Discard, with Ruric and Sage it should work well enough against that blue Combo

[Shagstaman]

2-toughness elves are the reason we don't lose to all the hate cards...i'd cut any 1 toughness elf before any 2 toughness elf. Hell I even considered bringing back viridian shaman just cuz 2 toughness (and most things we wanna hit are artifacts anyway).

birchlore is a 2-toughness elf btw ;)

now normally this is where I'd play devil's advocate and be like I can see why you'd consider playing only 3 nettles-- but in a combo meta like you described, you NEED to be able to combo on turns 2-3 some of the time, and nettle sentinel is one of the cards which allows this.

[Zombie]

//Creatures
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Quirion Ranger

4 Elvish Visionary
4 Wirewood Symbiote

4 Nettle Sentinel
3 Heritage Druid
2 Birchlore Rangers

1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
2 Reclamation Sage

//Spells
4 Natural Order
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Glimpse of Nature

//Lands
4 Gaea's Cradle
2 Dryad Arbor
1 Pendelhaven
2 Forest
2 Bayou

3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Wooded Foothills

//Sideboard
4 Thoughtseize
2 Cabal Therapy
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Krosan Grip
2 Extirpate


Something like this for the blue-ifying meta, maybe? One of the KGrips should probably be Library, Needle or a Null Rod, I guess.

[Julian23]

If there ever has been a time to play Gaddock Teeg, it is probably now. Karakas, especially in the EU, is on an all-time low. And fighting OmniTell with discard really feels like a losing battle. However, I don't hate the Extirpate on Show and Tell approach though. The deck is usually pretty much all-in on that card.

[IlCannone]

Plus, not to forget, hoses Storm on its own.

[Lemnear]

Plus, not to forget, hoses Storm on its own.

lol

[Zombie]

If there ever has been a time to play Gaddock Teeg, it is probably now. Karakas, especially in the EU, is on an all-time low. And fighting OmniTell with discard really feels like a losing battle. However, I don't hate the Extirpate on Show and Tell approach though. The deck is usually pretty much all-in on that card.

Teeg is attractive as always but it's just annoying how he blanks large parts of the deck. Makes me go for a non-Kithkin solution to problems pretty much always.

[Dice_Box]

I am told by good sources that Chalice for one can be areal pain for those Cantrip heavy decks. Maybe we should run that?

In all seriousness, what do people think of options like Thorn?

[Macky984]

I am told by good sources that Chalice for one can be areal pain for those Cantrip heavy decks. Maybe we should run that?

In all seriousness, what do people think of options like Thorn?

I don't think you can run Chalice for 1...

[jim111589]

I don't think you can run Chalice for 1...

I think it was sarcasm

[Macky984]

I think it was sarcasm

I was hoping so... White splash for Thalia kgo?

[Julian23]

Ever since I put a Thorn of Amethyst to the table, only for Storm to Combo right through it, I don't want to play that card anymore.

[resmaster]

I'm sorry if it sounds like a dumb question, but I read the last pages and the only explanation I found for using Flusterstorm was "it is good against OmniTell".

I'm not saying it isn't, and I know that matchup is really hard for us, but could someone explain the reasons why flusterstorm is so much better than S. Pierce, S. Song and that kind of stuff in this match?

Thanks!

[Hopo]

I'm sorry if it sounds like a dumb question, but I read the last pages and the only explanation I found for using Flusterstorm was "it is good against OmniTell".

I'm not saying it isn't, and I know that matchup is really hard for us, but could someone explain the reasons why flusterstorm is so much better than S. Pierce, S. Song and that kind of stuff in this match?

Thanks!

Because it can't be (easily) countered back? Maybe you missed that it has storm.

[resmaster]

Because it can't be (easily) countered back? Maybe you missed that it has storm.

I'm totally aware it has storm haha

I just never played against OmniTell (I do not play online, only IRL). Do you attempt to counter S&T with flusterstorm? That would make them wait for one more turn to cast S&T so that there's enough mana to pay for flusterstorm, giving us more time to go off. Is that it?

[henweigh]

Ever since I put a Thorn of Amethyst to the table, only for Storm to Combo right through it, I don't want to play that card anymore.

Sorry to be such a dork, but what does he mean here? What does it mean that storm combos right through it? Is it that a (1) tax is not enough?

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Yes, and he is fairly correct. Storm has multiple ways of dealing with a singleton tax effect. Be it a 3cmc Decay at end of opponents turn or just ritualing through it and basically ignoring the effect altogether.

From my phone. I do my best, dammit!

[chewemy]

I would like your opinion on a play i did today :

Me (elves) vs Reanimator

Turn 1 for me :
Bayou+ Deathrite shaman ,

Turn 1 Rean :
Pithing needle shaman

Turn 2 :
Cabal therapy naming Reanimate , in his hand : 1 reanimate , 1 Show and tell , 1 spell pierce, 1 brainstorm , 1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cénobite and 1 ashen rider.
So reanimate in the graveyard, i choose to flashback therapy with deathrite shaman to take his brainstorm. I wanted to remove his cantrip.

Turn 2
top deck city of traitors, play Show and tell ------> loose for me


Do you think it was the best play to take brainstorm or should have make him discard show and tell ?


Thanks