It has a home in a few niche decks that:Originally Posted by alphastryk
a) Need to counter certain Enchantments, instants, or sorceries that you just belly up and die to
b) Need a hard counter at low mana cost and don't care about the token that's already part of the game plan
c) the token is part of the game plan
-Matt
That is a gameplan I can get behind
Please bring back Defense of the Heart!
Or Oath of Druids...
-Matt
Big ol' cup of nope
You don't want to spend your resouces to get rid of drawbacks created by your own cards. You have to design your deck to be able to operate at maximum efficiency and give yourself the best amount of resources in any given scenario- especially since Miracles already has its problems due to being able to corrctly setup otherwise dead white cards in your hand.
You don't want to find games where you'll find yourself being forced to spend an additional Swords to Plowshares on the Bird token, or just to change the timing of your Terminus because you were already at a low life; similarly, you don't want to spend an entire turn of -1ing with Jace when you could have +0ed and thus gained a massive advantage.
Spell Pierce hits the card you mentioned and yes, it becomes a dead card in lategame, you're right; but, at that stage of the game, opponent's threats will be handled with the other diversified options Miracle has access to (hard Counterspell, Force of will, Counterbalance, and so on; for Show and Tell, post-board REBs, Flusterstorms, etc.). You don't need every card to be always consistent, as SP's function is just to stop problematic cards in specific windows of the game (early stages, and costy, harmful spells) and it's so tempo-friendly that it's worth to be played even if it sucks later on. Otherwise, we would all be playing 4 Counterspells and 4 Forces, wouldn't we? And then get raped by the speed of the format.
This is pretty much basic stuff to know in a format where you're swimming with sharks, I guess.
Definitely not a worthy MD card in Miracles; probably not even in the sideboard. I'll repeat myself: Bird drawback is negligible when you're not caring about board situation, i.e. combo. That's not the case of Control at all.
People below me are having the same feedback. If you want to stick with Swan Song, for me it's obviously fine.
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The fact that it's such a large topic of debate on several threads in this forum is almost a boon to it's impending popularity. I foresee it to be a topic of discussion for weeks upon weeks to come. I think it will find it's home soon, and will be tested and found useful in at least 2 decks, maybe upwards.
It's good in the same way daze/stifle is: Certain decks only.
-ABC
Anybody else liking it a lot post-SB in Reanimator?
This thread seems to have become focused on whether or not Swan Song is suitable for miracles. I think the card's home is in combo decks to protect their combo. A hard counter at 1 mana seems good.
A guy at my LGS is playing this as a 1 or 2 of in his mono blue omni deck. It seems like a quite viable home. Is it better than just running Flusterstorm? Not sure, but there are certainly corner cases. Does the bird matter? Not really.
It seems - like many others have pointed out - very lacklustre in tempo decks. Also seems a sideboard option at the very best for control decks to bring in against combo as an alternative to Flusterstorm which might not make much sense.
Swan song is the best card ever in my thopter sword polymorph deck
It is such a hilariously catastrophic disaster in tempo that this alone possibly accounts for the card's unpopularity. Giving the opponent an evasive beater that trades with a Delver is an amusing way to 2-for-1 yourself, quite possibly taking some damage in the process.
Why you guys comment on a 30 month old thread?
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I think it has to do with the unstable nature of time. Their universe is currently rubbing elbows with ours, and through the magic of the internet, somehow their posts have crossed the thin membrane between realities and posted in our very old thread, while they believed they were responding in a timely manner in their own reality. Clearly this polymorph thopter sword deck is a tier 1 strategy in that universe. I am curious as to what their DTB forum looks like. Perhaps there are goblins.
Twenty Kavus and a Dream is NOT a Legacy deck.
Swang Song isnt great either when Cabal Therapy is fairly popular card right now.
Oh, I like it if my Therapy gets countered by Swan Song
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Three years, really?
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