cheater's never prosper.. smh
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He is frighteningly good. He actually uses his other hand as a distraction in that gif Bertrand Hustle posted. I would be such an easy mark for this guy, as I never notice that kind of thing.
*shiver*
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Honestly, I'm a very peaceful person. But whenever someone shuffles my deck and does not put his hands in one direction and turn the header in the other, I really want to scratch their face off.
If you can't shuffle my deck without looking at it, do not shuffle it. If we were to actually enforce this all the time, i would have to call a judge in 60% of my games. People are really bad at blind-shuffling a deck and most of them even thinks that's ok. I've spent like 3 years teaching someone to shuffle a deck properly without looking at it because he just wasn't physically able to. The first time I instructed him to shuffle with his eyes closed, he accidentally threw the deck over the table.
Sorry, but i really feel that right now the community (and that includes me) is to soft on people using the rules more as "guidelines".
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
Is there an argument to be made for not enforcing additional shuffling by the opponent?
You are supposed to present a randomized deck to the opponent, therefore additional shuffling is redundant. (If opponent does not believe you are presenting a randomized deck, he should call a judge).
And, if you can cheat while shuffling your own deck, you can also cheat while shuffling your opponent's, as evidenced by the case at hand.
We need shuffle-machines like in poker (maybe not as rough as poker cards are shuffled in there) for tournaments like this. Till then I skip all playtesting and work on my shuffle skills/watch tutorials to be less distracted by shuffling and have a better shot at spotting cheating
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have to admit some skills to this guy, the invitational vid is very telling, so calm, makes my wonder how many players pull magical tricks like this off camera
Then why don't you? From your posts I get you're very oriented on rules enforcement, I'm usualy more laid back but no way anyone gets to shuffle this way, I have better experience on bigger tournaments, Opps are usualy very careful and vigilant when something is at stake... but agreed people are bad at shuffling 90% of all sleeves bent corners are due to my opps that can't just shuffle right
It's weird there isn't even something like "moneycounter machine" for (Deck)listing/(deck)checking decks and inventory
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That's easily said, but there is usually not much a judge can do against it but to stay at the table and keep an eye on both players. I was in exactly that situation previously, playing for 1k in my last round of the PT. Obviously my opponent looked blatantly at my deck while shuffling and I called a judge. The judge was asking us for what happened and also asked the players sitting next to us. Of course, no one noticed anything. All that happened from there on was the judge watching our match, but there wasn't any penalty for my opponent, since he obviously denied of having looked at my deck and there were no witnesses. And, you know, I can't really claim that he did cheat without any kind of proof, as I would also risk to get a loss for unsporting conduct... sometimes this game is amazing. Maybe they should film all matches, at least at high stake tournaments.
Humphrey is always correct.
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
Time for everyone to start strapping dashcams onto their heads.
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Dunno about you, but I watch my opponents shuffling (my deck) exactly for that reason. If I catch them glancing or being suspicious I tell them to not peek. If they do it again, I tell a judge. Simple as that.
also: OP's nick is relevant to the latest discussion :D
I stare into their blackened souls. I gave a glacial miracle player the death stare as he shuffled my Enchantress at last SCG while I gently shuffled his pile face down in front of me. There really is no reason to turn the deck on it's side. He said, 'What?'. I said, 'You're looking at my cards'. He said, 'I'm not, I'm just clumsy'. Turned out it didn't matter because he didn't even know what Wild growth did but ...
I dont think this has been posted yet: Apparently Humphries was called out in the invitational for doing the same thing. I have linked the YouTube video below. His opponent catches it and has the Judge shuffle his deck in G2 and G3.
Video Link
In the situation he's provided, the guy has already looked at the deck. The problem is not just the guy being able to manipulate the deck but also the guy seeing what you're playing. For Julian (elves), seeing any one of ~50 of his cards will tell you a ton about the deck.
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