Tarmogoyf lightning bolt rule

[KobeBryan]

In the gy, there are sorcery and land.

THe goyf is 2/3. THe rule is if i bolt the goyf, the bolt will go into the graveyard first and then the goyf will receive damage when it is a 3/4.

So the question is, does this rule apply to Punishing Fire and DRS.

Lets say you punishing fire the DRS, in response, can the DRS remove the Punishing fire from the gy?

[lordofthepit]

No, there is nothing similar between Tarmogoyf checking P/T and Deathrite Shaman's ability. Damage is dealt, the card is put into graveyard on resolution, and then P/T and lethal damage are checked as state-based effects before either player receives priority.

[Julian23]

THe rule is if i bolt the goyf, the bolt will go into the graveyard first and then the goyf will receive damage when it is a 3/4.

That's not correct. First, the Tarmogoyf will receive the damage, then Lightning Bolt goes to the graveyard. Then the active player would receive priority - which means, that right before that happens, state-based effects are checked: the game sees a 3/4 creature will 3 damage on it, so nothing happens. Then the active player receives priority.

This also makes it clear while DRS can't remove the Punishing Fire: you can only activate its ability when you have priority.

[HammafistRoob]

That's not correct. First, the Tarmogoyf will receive the damage, then Lightning Bolt goes to the graveyard. Then the active player would receive priority - which means, that right before that happens, state-based effects are checked: the game sees a creature will lethal damage on it and destroys it. Then the active player receives priority.

This also makes it clear while DRS can't remove the Punishing Fire: you can only activate its ability when you have priority.

The Goyf does live, where's cdr when you need him?

[Julian23]

The Goyf does live, where's cdr when you need him?

Haha true, I was too concerned about correcting him on the timing

[Bed Decks Palyer]

The Goyf-Bolt rule should be implemented to MWS somehow.

[SpikeyMikey]

Spells reslove in the order written, then the last step of resolution is for the spell to be put into the graveyard (unless otherwise directed). A creature with lethal damage dies when state-based actions are checked. SBA's are checked any time a player would receive priority. SBA's do not use the stack and therefore cannot be responded to. So in the case of the goyf/Bolt interaction, you follow the text on the card. 3 damage is placed on Tarmogoyf, then you run out of text so the card goes to the graveyard. Now that it's finished resolving, the active player would get priority, so SBA's are checked. They see a 3/4 creature with 3 damage on it, so nothing happens. In your scenario with DRS, the game would see a 2-toughness creature with 2 damage. It would be put into the GY as an SBA and when a player next receives priority, it's already gone.

[KobeBryan]

does this lightning bolt rule work the same if it was a swords to plowshares instead of a bolt?

[whienot]

does this lightning bolt rule work the same if it was a swords to plowshares instead of a bolt?

Spells resolve in the order written, then the last step of resolution is for the spell to be put into the graveyard (unless otherwise directed).

Swords to Plowshares
1) Exile target creature.
2) Its controller gains life equal to its power.
3) Swords to Plowshares is placed in the graveyard.