Yes.
No.
I'm really on the fence about the whole thing. I definitely wish they hadn't printed the card but I acknowledge that banning it could set a precedence. If WotC does acknowledge the public outcry over this card, I hope their approach to banning it would be an intelligent one. Perhaps something similar to the ante cards - "TNN was designed with multiplayer in mind and thus shouldn't be played in a 1v1 format".Originally Posted by lordofthepit
The fact that you pretend that you can't see the difference is bullshit.
Thought experiment: if Wizards printed a card that is totally bonkers and breaks every single format, would you consider the situation completely rectified if they emergency banned the card after the card has been released but before it is officially legal (i.e. during the prerelease period)? Or would you consider it a fuckup of epic proportions?
Like others have said, I'd be happier if it weren't in the format because of its really boring, uninteractive design (and the fact that it's in blue...)
That said, it doesn't seem format-warping enough to be banworthy
Just saw the SCG Delver mirror match. Wow. Such excitement.
Because "worse for existing" in this context is entirely subjective, and you know it. The day that becomes valid criteria for banning is the day the format comes apart at the seams. There are plenty of people who believe(d) that Lackey made the format worse for existing. Or FoW. Or Brainstorm. Or Tarmogoyf. Or Top. Or Show and Tell. Or any other number of cards. That doesn't mean they're right.
The only objective way to judge whether a card makes the format "worse" is whether it's warping the format, and even that is extremely subjective, albeit somewhat less so. (Cue Brainstorm banning argument for the next 50 pages.)
More super exciting TNN action on SCG stream.
EDIT: Hadn't internalized that TNN stops Jitte too. So fucking glad I play combo atm. This is a travesty.
I wished the other guy topdecked a Jitte as well so they could both hammer each other with 2 TNNs and a Jitte. So many decisions.
So true.
Legacy: Rituals
Vintage: Drains
This is similar to what happened with Memory Jar back in the day.
http://www.starcitygames.com/php/new...?Article=10023
Also, Hulk-Flash happened.
WOTC prints a lot of cards, and mistakes happen. Banning mistakes is a good thing. It would have been easy to print True-Name Nemesis so that it worked in Commander but wasn't abusive in Legacy.
7/8 at this weeks SCG.Yay stale as a day old fart!
First creatures came for the combo players
and you didn't speak out because you weren't a combo player.
Then creatures came for the control players
and you didn't speak out because you weren't a control player.
Then creatures came for the gimmick players
and you didn't speak out because you weren't a gimmick player
Then creatures came for you
and there were no spells left to play for you
11th at SCG Baltimore - 6/02/2013
2nd at SCG Philadelphia - 6/23/2013
28th at SCG Worcester - 7/07/2013
I don't think TNN is something Legacy can't handle. I voted yes mostly because I don't like the card design. But I also really hate the trend Wizards has started with printing a single, RARE Legacy bomb in every commander set and making so many pay a lot of money for one card and a pile of worthless commander cards just to keep up. Then they conclude how popular commander is, and repeat the scam. There should be a law against rubbish like that. Actually I suspect the majority of cards from boosters end in the garbage bin sooner or later. Hasbro is a mass producer of garbage.
No way! He's not even close to as good as tarmogoyf was when he first got printed. Three mana gets you show and fucking tell. Give me a break. It seems like every time there's a new sheriff in town people want to ban the shit out of him. Just skim through the banned thread to see what I mean. Not too long ago people wanted to ban deathrite shaman!
I think that most people want it banned not because it's too powerful, but because it's a terribly designed card that makes for terribly uninteresting games of Magic.
True-Name Nemesis has only been legal for a few weeks. It should be given at least a few months before deciding if it is banworthy.
InfoNinjas
I don't understand this mindset. Fighting games have the same thing going for them; new revision of a game comes out, suddenly every change to the character they don't play is broken and needs to be nerfed. Oh no, TNN makes me consider changing my deck to deal with him! BAN!
All these ban crying advocates own decks like Death and Taxes. TNN is forcing them to change decks.
The real problem is Show and Tell, just look at all the Sneak and Show players winning trophies and titles by slaying the TNN decks.
But D&T (at least the flyer-heavy version with SoFaI) has already proven that they can easily race TNN. And D&T is favored against Sneak & Show.
I'm not sure if I speak for everyone, but I don't hate TNN because it is broken. I hate it because it leads to very uninteractive games, and it happens to be extremely powerful. I'll probably be playing exclusively TNN builds when I find out exactly what I want to play, and I'm probably looking to acquire another playset reluctantly.
I don't play fighting games. But I am familiar enough with Super Street Fighter to know that after every few characters in the tournament mode, you get a stage where you try to kick the crap out of a car or some boxes, rather than a non-playable character. TNN has the effect of reducing Magic matches to something like that.
Gone? Yes. Banned? No.
I think the biggest thing is the deep seeded emotional understanding that the right play is the right play regardless of outcomes. The ability to make a decision 5 straight times, lose 5 times because of it, and still make it the 6th time if it's the right play. - Jon Finkel
"Notions of chance and fate are the preoccupation of men engaged in rash undertakings."
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