Yeah, D+T is mostly going with being faster as a preboard plan. Mother of Runes helps a fair bit here. Selecting flying options instead of ground (Aven Mindcensor over Leonin Arbiter, Serra Avenger over Mirran Crusader, don't cut the Flickerwisps) helps. Sword of Fire and Ice back in the main is a key component as it does extra damage and can force through a ground pounder. Finally, we have a number of (bitter pill) options from the board. Taken as a whole, it is a decent plan. Not great.
RUG on the other hand looks to be in bad shape. I bet that the numbers from November will be the first ever since Tarmo in which RUG is not amongst the very top decks. December should be even moreso as number of players drops.
My hope is that the black decks will load up on the hate, keeping the number of TNNs to a reasonable amount.
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If I had the money and cared to play a competitive deck I'd be on Elves. After watching it at the GP and hearing and reading Julians report, the deck is stupid good. You get to ignore TNN for the most part, and you can theoretically outrace combo.
Originally Posted by Richard Cheese
RUG is dead, you're either on True Name Nemesis or /black, or on True Name Nemesis and /black if you think Zealous Persecution is as good of an option as Golgari Charm and Tombstalker. Sword of Fire/Ice is probably better than Umezawa's Jitte right now, especially if you can form Voltron with a Batterskull.
I think I'd be looking at non Storm combo or aggro right now, with all the blue decks running TNN and/or Delver and concentrating on -1/1 sweepers, something like LED Dredge or Affinity could probably tear a whole in the format while everybody plays TNN, anti-TNN etc. and other decks like Goblins and Elves take the SB flack pretty hard.
Sword of Feast and Famine is still the best sword
Sword of Fire and Ice is the best sword if you're NOT running True Name Nemesis
FaF is awesome. Seems underplayed. Everyone just wants to be able to attack through a true name right now.
Bwahahaha ... I love the internet. What an absurd statement.
Canadian Thresh certainly isn't dead.
More Canadian Thresh lists made Day 2 followed by Death and Taxes at GPDC
There were TWO 13-2 Thresh lists at GPDC.
You don't, as a rule. You're slower than the very fast decks, about as fast as ANT (but without maindeck discard), and probably a bit faster than SnT. The meta slot Elves has is about the same as Shardless, Jund and Nic Fit try to occupy - the ultimate fair deck muncher that happens to be soft to combo. Of course, you munch fair decks super well, having a good matchup against most anything and not being that horridly soft to combo anymore. It's just a stupid good deck though, all told. As long as you can dodge Miracles or your name is Julian Knab.
I dunno guys. TNN looks pretty bad for RUG. I suppose we will see.
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Uh o, I think Erdvermampfa committed a cardinal sin.
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Making D2 is of little consequence, give it enough time and people are going to realize how badly RUG is positioned right now - people are always slow to let go of their loved ones.
A 3 mana main phase spell that requires UU? I don't get it. How is this back breaking for RUG? Don't they also play lands that make red mana? I'd be more scared of a resolved and protected SFM if I was an internet RUG player.
I played RUG to D2 of DC. I chose RUG b/c of how tuned the list was and I didn't want to bring a brew to a GP. As the new meta has started to firm there is no way I would bring RUG now.
There were also availability problems for TNN at the GP.
All the Vial decks that don't run Deathrite Shaman and True Name Nemesis have to consider their game plan going forward. Currently, people are freaking out about TNN much like when DRS became popular, everyone was jamming DRS into their deck, remember that time?
At least some intelligent people are using their heads, trying to revive Pox. The intention was good, but I have not seen any decent results. The only trend I spot is that WUR Delver with TNN is better than RUG Delver. At some point the number of copies of TNN in a given tournament will be larger than the number of copies of Goyf. That's about where the meta would stabilize.
The 12th place Pox list was sweet. Mainboard Night of Soul's Betrayal? Yes please.
I agree. When a SFM player gets to untap with SFM still alive (after tutoring for Batterskull), that game is nigh unwinnable. Whereas you can race 1-2 TNN with your dudes + Bolts, you cannot race a Batterskull. Now if they have SFM + TNN, then gtfo and kill me already...
Does that include the people whose "loved ones" are this idea that TNN should be banned?
Nemesis still doesn't block delvers or burn and can be countered/denied just like any other spell.3 is the new 4 obviously, haven't you heard?;p
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Rest in Peace was supposed to kill RUG
Deathrite shaman was supposed to kill RUG
Abrupt decay was supposed to kill RUG
and now True Name Nemesis is supposed to kill RUG?
Are you saying that tempo is dead?
Are you saying a resolve True-Name equals GG?
You can't kill tempo, because its a STRATEGY.
TWO RUG decks went 13-2 as well to finish top 16 and win themselves a invite to PTBNG, is that of any consequence?
What is of no consequence is making prediction about the future based on conjecture.
RUG is still the top deck in terms of having most high placing finishes since the release of C13. This is including the early tournaments in Europe/Eternal Weekend where there might have been TNN supply issues.
I'll be writing a metagame analysis article that should be up in a week or so, so stay tuned!
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