Originally Posted by Togores
Literally on the same page of the thread.
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Yeah, for some reason the sequencing seemed to work out in my head at the time, but of course you're right. This play doesn't work.
The play Togores was pointing out (cast Tendrils and pay the Flusterstorm tax for 5 of the copies) is not the same play as what I was suggesting (play Tendrils twice).
No worries, I do the same thing sometimes. The mistake I'm most guilty of making when watching coverage is forgetting you need a way to get hellbent when casting infernal tutor
I should've quoted only the relevant parts; I was referring to "Why not just tap two lands and play Tendrils right then?", because that's exactly what Rodrigo should've done and the play ends there already, no need to flash back Tendrils.
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Congrats again to Rodrigo again!
i have 2 questions:
1- how was Flusterstorm? IMHO in this meta is really strong
2- would you make some changes on your list?
I would make 0 changes.
Flusterstorm is a good card, only sided in top 8 and g3 on finals (just 1). Also against both infect deck I played. Drew only once against infect and had another plan and brainstormed it away.
Its good against show and tell and nauseam. But I didnt played any...
Do you agree that your list is rather weak against eldrazi?
Do you think you could have won against multiple eldrazis making no changes?
Your list looks like one of the best I ever saw for the Miracles MU, I just dont see it winning against most lock decks, do you think decays are enought or you just hoped to dodge as many taxes and eldrazis as possible?
"You either die a Onesto-Player, or live long enough to see yourself become a Dredger"
Does exist a good SB against eldrazi???
he focused on beat all others decks wich has sense imho
He beat D&T in top 8
@Rodrigo
What would you play if you didn't have the flusterstorms?
Getting extremely lucky, to be fair
"You either die a Onesto-Player, or live long enough to see yourself become a Dredger"
Luck? He made a meta call and was rewarded. Look back through this thread and you'll see many players advocating to forgo warping your deck to beat a match-up that will likely never be that winnable (Eldrazi). DnT, well I wonder how many times Togores has played that match up. Likely more than he'd like to admit. I'm sure he knows what he needs to do to avoid a T2 Thalia, etc.
He didnt got lucky against death and taxes.
Lost G1
Gets a turn 1 in G2
G3 keeps a probe + teraphy hand, his opponens has a single threat and he gets a turn 2 win though wasteland
Thats not standard. thats lucky, and by no means im saying that in an offensive way.
Also, as a meta call, predicting no eldrazi was extremely wrong since the deck was the most played in day2, so if it was a meta call he was wrong and got lucky getting none of them (as he admitted), Im missing your point
"You either die a Onesto-Player, or live long enough to see yourself become a Dredger"
Yes, luck is part of this as always but ANT is capable of winning T1 (it is a combo deck...) and BTW Gitaxian Probe into Therapy is pretty good. My point with Eldrazi is that he'd have likely lost either way and since he didn't dilute his SB he had plenty of room other match ups.
I got really lucky. Thats true. Taxes is almost not represent.
I had 6 cards sb vs them. 3 decay, 2 echoing and 1 empty.
Not a lot but not nothing.
Bye
Bye
Merfolk 2-0
Infect 2-1 win on mull to 5
Burn 2-0
Bug delver 2-1
Sharldess 2-0
Grixis 2-0
Grixis control 2-0
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Rug 0-2
Grixis 0-2
Merfolk 2-1
Lands 2-1
Bug delver 2-0
Infect 2-1 (beats me with his mull5)
Top
Shardless 2-1
Taxes 2-1
Miracles 2-1
That where my matchups. 0 eldrazi, that was the plan. Didnt faced any. That was better as expected. I thought I would face 2 and end like 1-1 against them.
If you expected DnT would you play dread of night or massacre or both?
You don't need to get "extremely lucky" to beat D&T with no hosers. Nor was Togores "extremely lucky" in the semi finals. I think, all things being equal, the matchup favors us if not by a lot, and having ~4 spot removal spells (bounce, decays, disfigure etc) will often be enough. That doesn't mean we can't lose, obviously. Sometimes you are on the draw, in the blind, and mulligan to a six card hand of 3x cantrips, land, ritual, LED. In those spots we are very, very likely to lose if they found Thalia in their 8-9 top cards. Even a wasteland/port draw can sometimes be good enough in a spot like that.
But I'm going to be candid here, and perhaps come off as arrogant, but it feels to me that newer storm players have a tendency to get to a point where they feel like D&T is a worse matchup than it actually is. I won't guess as to why.
That's not to say I think we are massive favorites, but I do believe we are favored. Force me to put percentages on it and I'd say something like 55/45 in our favor.
If I was heading into a tournament execting D&T to make up a large portion of the decks on the top tables (think Miracles, currently) I'd for sure be packing 2x massacre or something similar to suppliment my chains of vapor because it will skew the match enough in our favor that we can usually avoid losing those games where we stumble and can't get in under their lock pieces. But with the deck being somewhat few and far between I don't think it's unreasonable to go into a tournament with no hosers in your board.
Huge congrats to Togores! A bit belated, I know, but I haven't been on the source in a while. I just watched that final, what a masterful match! I'm glad that such a powerful moment is recorded.
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Wow, that was quick. Back in DTB.
How should I play/sequence in order to beat grixis Delver? A friend of mine recently built it and I'm currently 2-X against it after a couple of hours of playtesting. I've also had trouble against it before he built it, but now I'm able to play test more. If it's of any relevance he's also a storm player (focusing more on high tide than ANT, but varying between the two).
Should I mulligan more aggressively? Towards what? How do you approach the matchup?
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