[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[Togores]

So back on work now and gonna write a bit of report.
After going 5-3 and missing by tiebrakers the cash in modern and 4-4 in legacy....I WON THE FUCKING VINTAGE!!! And without spliting like the poo guys in legacy and modern +2k there I ended undefeated all day. Im vintage I played monastery mentor remora deck and in modern uw tron gifts, good decks but in modern some matchups are too hard.

In legacy I played my usual md with 2 tops and with this side:
1 empty
1 krossan grip
1 city of solitude
3 decay
2 chain
2 masaacre
3 xantid
2 flusterstorm

So to the rounds (i lost my life pad so I dont remeber everything)
R1 goblins
G1 i nauseam or pif him t2
G2 he puts goblin preassure and cage and I mever draw tutor or so.
G3 I pif loop him t1 (never got this before).

R2 grixis delver (guy top 8 the day before in modern, a spanish guy form american army parents who lives in germany)
G1 he has delver and fow as only things I can go off but he has fow. Never get a discard or extra bussines and loose. This game he even pithing my led... And I lost.

R3 monoblack
G1 I ad nauseam him and win.
G2 i make goblins he starts blocking with factorys and so but i end wining with a tendrills on storm 2.

R4 shardless bug jean maty acart
I know what he is on and that he plays mage in sb.
G1 he has nothing and starts 2 3:4 guys beatdown. Im at 10 life and have no red. I can go this turn for nauseam or that he dosnt draw any good card and me a red source and pif. I have 2 tutors in hand. So i would just need mana and led.
I ens up being 1 mana short to natural tendrills him. With top on table. Petal bs put toa on top and crack led. But no mana no fun.
G2 i play t1 top he plays pithing I draw with top and draw the other top. I end up loosing to 2 meddling and 2 deathrite with a hand of 4 cabal ritual, 1 duress and 2 sensei, never drew a decay for his mages on bs and cabal ritual and also never a ponde eor brainstorm.

R5 jaime cano on golddiger.
G1 i gring but end up loosing to jace.
G2 i mull to 6 with a hand of
Xantid
Petal
Ritual
2 led
Infernal
I keep and he starts with his random leyline, i go for mauseam to get cards and the krossan grip and he has fow...

R6 pedro jose with blade
Both games where the same
G1 i end with 8 lands on table and lots of mana in hand. And i had obly played 3 spells all gane
G2 i get stuck on 1 land mages on tendrills and decay win.

R7 burg delver
G1 I win on on pif
G2 i loose to multiple counters including flusterstorm and envelope whyle therapis shreed my hand
G3 i win a long grind game when he forces my xantid and I flashback pif.

R8 jund
G1 i just win
G2 discard and so comes and wins for him
G3 im going to loose and last turn find tutor and win.

Deck seemed good but I got unlcky a lot.
Sometimes happen. But wining vintage was just awesome.
Also sad I didnt played vs miracles... I was hopping to crush them.


Just to say, Pascal Wagner is an awesome player. Saw him few games and he is just a beast. Won with pyromancer storm the modern, grinding statiom the legacy and ended 9th in vintage with doomsdays storm.
Nice to speak to you Slosh!!!

[Arguru]

First of all,congratulations to Togores!
Then,I want to give my impression about DoN vs massacre:I found massacre to be very poor most of the time;against d&t and maverick I simply prefer DoN,against stoneblade we can play CoV/decay so we don't make ad nauseam worse too...

This is the list I'm playing atm:

2 volcanic island
2 underground sea
1 Bayou
1 island
1 swamp
4 misty Rainforest
4 polluted Delta

4 dark ritual
4 cabal ritual
4 lotus petal
4 LED

4 gitaxian probe
4 ponder
4 brainstorm
1 preordain

4 cabal therapy
3 duress

4 infernal tutor
2 pif
1 tendrils of agony
1 Empty the warrens
1 grim tutor

//SIDE

1 ad nauseam
3 abrupt decay
3 Xantid swarm
3 CoV
2 dread of night
2 surgical extraction
1 tropical island

The manabase seems good,and I never missed main deck Ad Nauseam...IMHO main deck EtW is necessary to have a good option to go off on turn 1/2...sb tropical island is good when you have to side in abrupt decay against wasteland deck(as mentioned by sawatrix)...

If anyone has any advice,I'll be happy to listen you!

[Blizzard96]

his a menber of thesource? i would love to read a report from him of this MKM series :) and congratz on winning modern and legacy, really impressive !

@cabaltherapy, i had the exact same thought about that is nice that a ant player wins but on the other hand people probably will be even more concern about stopping this deck ahah

i saw pascal casting burning wish wich i didn´t expect at all by watch the coverage live :p any one knows how many did he use?

Yes, I am a member, but I don't like writing in forums, as it is most often guided by (stupid) questions

R1: UWR Counterbalance 2:0
R2: Lands 2:0
R3: UWR Counterbalance 2:0
R4: UWR Stoneblade 2:1
R5: UWR Balance 1: 1:1
R6: UWR Golddigger 2:1
R7: UWR Stoneblade 2:0
R8: Elves ID

QF: Esperblade 2:0
SF: Shardless BUG 2:1
Finals: UWR Stoneblade

Yes, I played against a lot of UWR (semi-)controlish decks.


Decklist:

Grinding Station

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian Probe
2 Preordain
4 Dark Ritual
3 Cabal Ritual
1 Rain of Filth
4 Infernal Tutor
3 Tendrils of Agony
2 Past in Flames
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Duress
1 Thoughtseize
4 Polluted Delta
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Underground Sea
1 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
1 Island
1 Swamp

//Sideboard:15
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Dread of Night
2 Xantid Swarm
2 Krosan Grip
2 Flusterstorm
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Burning Wish


Regarding DoN> Massacre:

For me, there has never been a real decision, yet a thought, about playing Massacre>DoN. DoN is permanent solution against thalia,Mother, SFM+Jitte, THEIR CLOCK and Aven Mindcensor, which can easily kill you if they've got him in response to Infernal Tutor. There are far more reasons, but I'll leave you with these.


Thanks for your kind words regarding my playstyle and my success.

I read this thread for the main reason, that it amuses me from time to time as mostly all of you argue without coming to a point, just to stay with your own opinion.
The topics of this thread didn't change for a long time and you still argue about some random stuff although ALL arguments have been written at least twice.

I will not write something in this thread again, but I'll possibly answer if you've got any questions regarding grinding station. (via PM or Facebook)

Greetings
Pascal Wagner

[Ancestral]

Yes, I am a member, but I don't like writing in forums, as it is most often guided by (stupid) questions

R1: UWR Counterbalance 2:0
R2: Lands 2:0
R3: UWR Counterbalance 2:0
R4: UWR Stoneblade 2:1
R5: UWR Balance 1: 1:1
R6: UWR Golddigger 2:1
R7: UWR Stoneblade 2:0
R8: Elves ID

QF: Esperblade 2:0
SF: Shardless BUG 2:1
Finals: UWR Stoneblade

Yes, I played against a lot of UWR (semi-)controlish decks.


Decklist:

Grinding Station

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian Probe
2 Preordain
4 Dark Ritual
3 Cabal Ritual
1 Rain of Filth
4 Infernal Tutor
3 Tendrils of Agony
2 Past in Flames
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Duress
1 Thoughtseize
4 Polluted Delta
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Underground Sea
1 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
1 Island
1 Swamp

//Sideboard:15
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Dread of Night
2 Xantid Swarm
2 Krosan Grip
2 Flusterstorm
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Burning Wish


Regarding DoN> Massacre:

For me, there has never been a real decision, yet a thought, about playing Massacre>DoN. DoN is permanent solution against thalia,Mother, SFM+Jitte, THEIR CLOCK and Aven Mindcensor, which can easily kill you if they've got him in response to Infernal Tutor. There are far more reasons, but I'll leave you with these.


Thanks for your kind words regarding my playstyle and my success.

I read this thread for the main reason, that it amuses me from time to time as mostly all of you argue without coming to a point, just to stay with your own opinion.
The topics of this thread didn't change for a long time and you still argue about some random stuff although ALL arguments have been written at least twice.

I will not write something in this thread again, but I'll possibly answer if you've got any questions regarding grinding station. (via PM or Facebook)

Greetings
Pascal Wagner

thanks for the answer , and even though you won´t writte back here, congrats on your astonish performance, just incredible! keep going ;)

[Sloshthedark]

Thanks for your kind words regarding my playstyle and my success.

I read this thread for the main reason, that it amuses me from time to time as mostly all of you argue without coming to a point, just to stay with your own opinion.
The topics of this thread didn't change for a long time and you still argue about some random stuff although ALL arguments have been written at least twice.

I will not write something in this thread again, but I'll possibly answer if you've got any questions regarding grinding station. (via PM or Facebook)

Greetings
Pascal Wagner

Haha, pretty fitting... yet not worse than any other forum... the whole time I thought Blizzard96 was someone totally different...

[Jonathan Alexander]

I'm gonna do a write-up on all the cards I believe to be viable in this deck. I will post it on my blog at some point this week. These are the cards I'm looking to include:

Brainstorm
Chain of Vapor
Flusterstorm
Gitaxian Probe
Ponder
Preordain

Ad Nauseam
Cabal Ritual
Cabal Therapy
Dark Ritual
Dread of Night
Duress
Ill-Gotten Gains
Infernal Tutor
Massacre
Rain of Filth
Tendrils of Agony
Thoughtseize

Burning Wish
Empty the Warrens
Past in Flames

Carpet of Flowers
Krosan Grip
Xantid Swarm

Abrupt Decay

Chrome Mox
Lion's Eye Diamond
Lotus Petal
Sensei's Divining Top

Basics
Duals
Fetchlands
Gemstone Mine
Karakas

Am I missing something?

[Fatal]

Agree on core cards, I used also some vs specify meta:

In heavy MUD environment: Hurkyl's Recall
In heavy Hatebear environment: Slaughter Pact
In heavy Reanimator environment: Surgical Extraction / Extripate
In heavy Sneak Attack environment with Burning Wish version: Bribery

[sawatarix]

Grim Tutor as well.
I finally got 2 of them although i still believe that the card is not 100% what i want in this deck.
Look at these beauties

[KevinH]

Grim Tutor as well.
I finally got 2 of them although i still believe that the card is not 100% what i want in this deck.
Look at these beauties

Beguiler of Wills...such a random card lol, how did you decide on that?

[Lemnear]

Beguiler of Wills...such a random card lol, how did you decide on that?

Guess BigUp decided instead lol

[KevinH]

I'm gonna do a write-up on all the cards I believe to be viable in this deck. I will post it on my blog at some point this week. These are the cards I'm looking to include:

Brainstorm
Chain of Vapor
Flusterstorm
Gitaxian Probe
Ponder
Preordain

Ad Nauseam
Cabal Ritual
Cabal Therapy
Dark Ritual
Dread of Night
Duress
Ill-Gotten Gains
Infernal Tutor
Massacre
Rain of Filth
Tendrils of Agony
Thoughtseize

Burning Wish
Empty the Warrens
Past in Flames

Carpet of Flowers
Krosan Grip
Xantid Swarm

Abrupt Decay

Chrome Mox
Lion's Eye Diamond
Lotus Petal
Sensei's Divining Top

Basics
Duals
Fetchlands
Gemstone Mine
Karakas

Am I missing something?

Would also like to hear about Pyroclasm, Surgical Extraction

[Ancestral]

Grim Tutor as well.
I finally got 2 of them although i still believe that the card is not 100% what i want in this deck.
Look at these beauties

Now the WB is gonne so that excuse too :p lets see if you like it !

and those arts are pretty gooD!!

[Sloshthedark]

Jona - depends how deep you want to go... what purpose has such list?

Sawatarix - just sold/sent one of mine today... I like the original art though...

[Jonathan Alexander]

As Pascal said, people tend to ask the same questions over and over, so it would be useful to have something that explains the role of each card, synergies and cards that compete for the same slots, for example Dread of Night and Massacre or Abrupt Decay and Krosan Grip. Also, I like writing.

Also, I like trains.

[phazonmutant]

As Pascal said, people tend to ask the same questions over and over, so it would be useful to have something that explains the role of each card, synergies and cards that compete for the same slots, for example Dread of Night and Massacre or Abrupt Decay and Krosan Grip. Also, I like writing.

Also, I like trains.

It's a good idea. The primer is pretty good at explaining the role of each card, so your piece would be how to tune your build?

Lim-Dul's Vault is a reasonable inclusion as well if you have a couple of Tops.

[sawatarix]

Jona you should write about trains then :D

Legacy GP Kyoto is this weekend so the grim tutors won't arrive in time because they are currently somewhere between germany and japan.

Here is my final list for the GP.

Ant.dec, Built with Decked Builder
http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/60972

The only slot i have been unsure about is Ad Nauseam.
On the other hand Empty the Warrens got never used during the last couple of tournaments.

I guess i have to play Ad Nauseam a little bit differently here.
Because there is a high chance of not getting the right cards i have to stop at a point to survive another turn. On my following turn i can pif/tutor chain my opponent. This works at least against fair decks.
If you guys have any further ideas here is the final chance before i go to the Gp with the TokyoMTG crew :)

I really hope to do well this time with 2 Byes plus a broken deck <3

[Sloshthedark]

As Pascal said, people tend to ask the same questions over and over, so it would be useful to have something that explains the role of each card, synergies and cards that compete for the same slots, for example Dread of Night and Massacre or Abrupt Decay and Krosan Grip. Also, I like writing.

Also, I like trains.

Problem is newcomers won't read the primer unless it's good and uptodate and then a half of them still won't read it, neither it would answer their question... the thread is read like 3 pages back at most...

Jona you should write about trains then :D

Legacy GP Kyoto is this weekend so the grim tutors won't arrive in time because they are currently somewhere between germany and japan.

Here is my final list for the GP.

Ant.dec, Built with Decked Builder
http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/60972

The only slot i have been unsure about is Ad Nauseam.
On the other hand Empty the Warrens got never used during the last couple of tournaments.

I guess i have to play Ad Nauseam a little bit differently here.
Because there is a high chance of not getting the right cards i have to stop at a point to survive another turn. On my following turn i can pif/tutor chain my opponent. This works at least against fair decks.
If you guys have any further ideas here is the final chance before i go to the Gp with the TokyoMTG crew :)

I really hope to do well this time with 2 Byes plus a broken deck <3

I'd prefer Trop/fetch MD instead of Volc, you have soo many islands and don't need 2 R at all... EtW MD, because EtW side is weaker and Ad Nauseam MD at 3LP 2PiF is also meh unless you know you need to cast it... something else over 3rd preordian, 3 DoN... but that's your game to play =)

[Jonathan Alexander]

EtW MD, because EtW side is weaker

That is flawed thinking. Preboard, the best road to victory is generally Past in Flames, because it's the safest and doesn't require too many cards in hand, leaving room for disruption. The matchups where it isn't, that's because you need to be faster, thus Ad Nauseam is better there, allowing you to win from even less resources.
Those matchups are Miracles and combo mirrors. Delaying victory by at least two turns doesn't work against opposing combo decks and having Empty preboard against Miracles is just laughable.
Any strategies involving creatures are better postboard, when people have less/no removal.

It's a good idea. The primer is pretty good at explaining the role of each card, so your piece would be how to tune your build?

I think I'm going to do both. You must understand the roles cards fill to decide which ones to use anyway.

Cards I will add to the list:
Grim Tutor
Surgical Extraction / Extirpate

Cards I won't include:
Hurkyl's Recall - Too narrow. I don't care about 16 player tournaments where five guys show up with MUD.
Slaughter Pact - Pretty much strictly worse than Chain of Vapor. If not, it's worse than Massacre.
Bribery - Too cute. Same goes for Telemin Performance. Not sure about Slaughter Games. I kinda want to try that one out at some point, but I also think it's too cute.
Pyroclasm - Massacre does a better job at that. The only thing Pyroclasm does is fulfil people's desire to theoretically be able to beat any possible situation.
Lim-Dûl's Vault - just too bad of a card

Unsure about Silence and Orim's Chant. Something tells me I should probably mention them briefly, but I don't see myself ever running white again. You really need all the other colours and the commitment to white is just too heavy.

[Lemnear]

That is flawed thinking. Preboard, the best road to victory is generally Past in Flames, because it's the safest and doesn't require too many cards in hand, leaving room for disruption. The matchups where it isn't, that's because you need to be faster, thus Ad Nauseam is better there, allowing you to win from even less resources.
Those matchups are Miracles and combo mirrors. Delaying victory by at least two turns doesn't work against opposing combo decks and having Empty preboard against Miracles is just laughable.
Any strategies involving creatures are better postboard, when people have less/no removal.

That's ignoring matchups like Team America or Hatebear.dec in general where dumping Goblins is fine. I even consider EtW an ok choice for game 1s against Miracles. Ad Nauseam is just mediocre to bad depending on your flooded mana and often requires to pass the turn which I don't consider a great plan against CB or Thalia if you goal is to cast it T1/2. I won't talk about IMS or average cmc in regards to AN at this point.

[Timmy101]

I feel City of Solitude at least warrants a mention.