[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[Lemnear]

The original question didn't stipulate when the Chalice @ 1 landed. I agree if we assume it lands turn one we are in a very bad shape, but I would stipulate that is probably still the case with Decays since ANT typically plays with 2-3 and Chalice is shutting off our ability to dig for them.

Those are still additional OUTS and single-card-solutions in addition which doesn't require a combination of 3-4 cards in your hand to beat Chalice. ;)

[davelin]

Those are still additional OUTS and single-card-solutions in addition which doesn't require a combination of 3-4 cards in your hand to beat Chalice. ;)

Fair enough :-)

[ThomasDowd]

What are others thoughts of Burning ANT? I think Burning Wish is good vs. Meddling Mage, not to mention giving you ways to kill Teeg, Chalice, Leyline and CB.

I'm currently playing the following targets:

Empty the Warrens
Grapeshot
Grim Tutor
Massacre
Meltdown
Past in Flames
Reverent Silence
Tendrils of Agony
Thoughtseize

I played something similar
- R. silence
- Grapeshot
Thoughtseize-> the 8th discard of the suite
PiF-> IGG

I liked it. My plan versus CB was to win fast( it did not work out in my games) but that requires drawing the nuts, but with 7 tutors instead of the normal 4( or 5) plus cantrips its somewhat feasible. even just early empty for 10 puts them on a pretty large back foot. the logic was flawed though because they also have countermagic for days. i have since moved back to 4 color with a grim, a chrome mox, and a preordain in place of the 3 burning wish. not sure on whcih is better. always a meta call.

The last 3-4 spots in this deck make all the difference

[Lemnear]

I doubt the deck it really suited to support Burning Wish aka a full UBRg manabase without giving up it's feature of being able to operate off Basic lands. Bob, I could easily see you getting in troubles against Wasteland and Stifle at times with Burning Wish. However, a Burning Wish ANT made 3rd at the last BoM even if the deck played out pretty random from what I have witnessed

Arguing for T1 EtW with Burning Wish is strange, as it rises the question of why not playing TES instead.

[ThomasDowd]

I doubt the deck it really suited to support Burning Wish aka a full UBRg manabase without giving up it's feature of being able to operate off Basic lands. Bob, I could easily see you getting in troubles against Wasteland and Stifle at times with Burning Wish. However, a Burning Wish ANT made 3rd at the last BoM even if the deck played out pretty random from what I have witnessed

Arguing for T1 EtW with Burning Wish is strange, as it rises the question of why not playing TES instead.

The 4 color build was without burning wish and more inline with what this thread is proposing(one volcanic, one trop, 2 sea), the burning wish build was strictly 3 color and without green.

I like the long game of ANT better. and feel it better suits my style of play. The T1 empty is just an option if it is absolutely needed. as the case for the CB matchup, there are very short, small windows you have to jump through to go off and having the option of empty is pretty strong when you can't kill them outright. That being said I still find it very difficult to beat a highly skilled CB player. but then again i only play once every 4 or 5 months and don't touch cards in between at all.

[anakyn]

How do you handle Chalice @1 without Decay?

You can't. You'll gamble for not facing MUD

Fair enough (and that's why I would never play without 2-3 Decay in a storm deck), but I don't think it's just a MUD-related problem.
A full set of maindeck Chalices is also played by Tezzerator and Aggro Loam, while most Affinity and some Goblin lists play them in the sideboard (some Affinity list even maindeck).

I know we're talking about fringe decks, but both Tezzerator and Aggro Loam have won a Starcitygames tournament last year, while Affinity and Goblin keep being shuffled by many players, so it's not that unlikely to face them in competitive events.
I would include also Stax, if only he hadn't disappeared from the meta (thanks god).

But sure: among these, MUD is the deck against which storm decks have more problems.

[cheerios]

How effective is the extra Ad Naus in the sideboard?

[Lemnear]

How effective is the extra Ad Naus in the sideboard?

Who does this?

[cheerios]

Few players such as Timo Schunemann (http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12122&iddeck=88836) and Max Sjoblom (http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12373&iddeck=90675) had success with this card in the sideboard. I've been testing it vs fair decks and control decks. Sometimes it's great to just double dark rit into Ad Naus vs fair decks but I've also died several times to flipping Past In Flames then the 2nd Ad Naus (9 life in two cards). I wonder if there are also other players practicing the same strategy.

[Lemnear]

Few players such as Timo Schunemann (http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12122&iddeck=88836) and Max Sjoblom (http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12373&iddeck=90675) had success with this card in the sideboard. I've been testing it vs fair decks and control decks. Sometimes it's great to just double dark rit into Ad Naus vs fair decks but I've also died several times to flipping Past In Flames then the 2nd Ad Naus (9 life in two cards). I wonder if there are also other players practicing the same strategy.

I'm sure that this is a typo in Timo's list, as several BoM lists were listed plain wrong on their website

[cheerios]

I'm sure that this is a typo in Timo's list, as several BoM lists were listed plain wrong on their website

Thanks for the info. I was wondering what was the reason behind it since based on my testing, it wasn't that great or significant.

[Mindlash]

Thanks for the info. I was wondering what was the reason behind it since based on my testing, it wasn't that great or significant.

Timo's sideboard Ad Nauseam was a typo. It is a second Chain of Vapor. Max just copied his decklist and changed some cards. Therefore his second Ad Nauseam is only a copied typo ;)

[BeardTron]

4th Place finish by Ethan Jain-Washburn at SCG yesterday.

Has 4 Thoughtseize in the 75 (1 main) and a Telemin Performance (Honestly, I'm a little confused as to why this is here) in the side.
Along w/ a Grim Tutor.

Quite a bit of life loss w/ Seize/Grim/Probe main.

Obviously did very well with it...lost to that Jund Depths brew in the Semi's.

[NoizeMe]

... and a Telemin Performance (Honestly, I'm a little confused as to why this is here) in the side.

It is quit good against other Storm decks and Lands as they do not run any creatures, at least in the Main, so it is a 5 mana "I win"-spell, which has also applications against Show and Tell.

[Lemnear]

4th Place finish by Ethan Jain-Washburn at SCG yesterday.

Has 4 Thoughtseize in the 75 (1 main) and a Telemin Performance (Honestly, I'm a little confused as to why this is here) in the side.
Along w/ a Grim Tutor.

Quite a bit of life loss w/ Seize/Grim/Probe main.

Obviously did very well with it...lost to that Jund Depths brew in the Semi's.

To board Telemin for Ad Nauseam in combo-mirrors

[Asgar]

And Omnitell and High Tide and Sneak Attack :)

[DarkJester]

And Omnitell and High Tide and Sneak Attack :)

Well, I think the term "combo-mirrors" includes these archetypes, too.^^

[Lemnear]

Well, I think the term "combo-mirrors" includes these archetypes, too.^^

At least I intended it ;)

[Zombie]

To board Telemin for Ad Nauseam in combo-mirrors

Board it in vs. me, please please please? :D

[cheerios]

what's the best strategy to fight discard with graveyatd hate? Aside from going off early, I've been relying on the goblins plan lately versus this kind of deck. I find it hard to reach 10 storm. Any advise experienced storm troopers?