Chinese fakes

[CJH]

Recently someone mentioned this page on Reddit: http://lethix.com/index.html
I'd imagine it's another batch of counterfeit cards from the description of the lot they're selling

All dual lands are FBB-foreign black border-some R/W card in Chinese, not a clue what it is. The rest are pictured In this section or non foil #1 Ancient Tomb Arid mesa Badlands Bayou Bitterblossom Bloodstained Mire City of Traitors Crucible of Worlds Cryptic Command Damnation Dark Confident Dark Depths Emrakul, the Aeon’s Torn Flooded Strand Force of Will Gaea’s Cradle Griselbrand Imperial Recruiter Jace The mind sculptor Karn Liberated Liliana of the Veil Lion’s eye Diamond Mana Crypt Marsh Flats Misdirection Misty rainforest Mox Diamond Mox Opal Mutavault Noble Heirarch Plateau Polluted Delta Rishadan Port Savannah Scalding Tarn Scrubland Sensei’s Diving Top Show and Tell Snapcaster Mage Sneak Attack Stifle Stone forge Mystic Taiga Tarmogoyf Tropical Island Truename Nemesis Tundra Umzawa’s Jitte Underground Sea Vendilion Clique Verdant Catacombs Volcanic Island Wasteland Windswept Heath Wooded Foothills

[Higgs]

I think I have received fake True-name Nemeses from an online vendor, was wondering if these were being counterfeited as well but seeing your list I'm even more suspicious now. Is anyone willing to take a look at the cards I have to confirm?

From what I can see there's the dot pattern, the feel is alright, the blue layer's there and different print layering is there (the rules text vs the picture box etc.). The telling signs for me were that the color tone was off and the same weird tone in all 3 of them. The card picture seems a bit low-res to me and not as sharp as I'd expect from a real magic card. The most suspicious one is, there is a very thin white line at the intersection of the card frame and the black border. This is even visible without a loupe and something I haven't seen this in any other new frame cards.

If these really are fake having received them from a reputable online vendor isn't a good sign at all..

[emidln]

I just bought a couple of the "proxies" from lethix.com (via paypal) and will try to get some high def video and pictures of them side by side with actual versions. Should make for an interesting Saturday in the future.

[Russian Alara]

I just bought a couple of the "proxies" from lethix.com (via paypal) and will try to get some high def video and pictures of them side by side with actual versions. Should make for an interesting Saturday in the future.

pm me after I need to add you to Database on Facebook that way you will be informed about latest news.

[Dice_Box]

I think I have received fake True-name Nemeses from an online vendor, was wondering if these were being counterfeited as well but seeing your list I'm even more suspicious now. Is anyone willing to take a look at the cards I have to confirm?

From what I can see there's the dot pattern, the feel is alright, the blue layer's there and different print layering is there (the rules text vs the picture box etc.). The telling signs for me were that the color tone was off and the same weird tone in all 3 of them. The card picture seems a bit low-res to me and not as sharp as I'd expect from a real magic card. The most suspicious one is, there is a very thin white line at the intersection of the card frame and the black border. This is even visible without a loupe and something I haven't seen this in any other new frame cards.

If these really are fake having received them from a reputable online vendor isn't a good sign at all..

Give me a high Rez scan and I will compare it to my own TNN and see what happens.

[Russian Alara]

Reported site to Wizards. ..

[JPoJohnson]

I just bought a couple of the "proxies" from lethix.com (via paypal) and will try to get some high def video and pictures of them side by side with actual versions. Should make for an interesting Saturday in the future.

Looking forward to hearing back from you. Interested how the card paper material compares.

[Barook]

edit: Barrook you heard about Brian Matzen? .. well he works not alone also has a alias Sarah Fisher and tries to sell Timewalks , Bob . ETC

Nope, and I stopped caring with all the speculator insanity going on and Wizards not getting their shit together regarding reprints (see: RL and Modern fetches)

They brought it upon themselves by making the secondary market too attractive and not going with the times to meet demand.

All I'm waiting for is the eventual crash to get prices back to a more reasonable level to buy back into paper magic. Until then, I'll stay on MODO.

[Russian Alara]

http://lethix.com/index.html is now reconstructing to YGO

[Lord Seth]

Nope, and I stopped caring with all the speculator insanity going on and Wizards not getting their shit together regarding reprints (see: RL and Modern fetches)

The fetchland comments seems odd. The fetchlands would be a poor choice for Standard until Return to Ravnica rotates out (even if you don't mind the crazy manabases that would result from them and the shocklands in Standard, it would turn the format into nothing but BGx decks thanks to Deathrite Shaman), and they only recently spiked up. I don't see any issues with what they've done with the fetchlands so far, though a lot of the excuses run out when Khans of Tarkir is released.

If you wanted to criticize them in regards to reprints, which is not unreasonable, I can think of a number of things that would be better to point to than the fetchlands.

[Barook]

The fetchland comments seems odd. The fetchlands would be a poor choice for Standard until Return to Ravnica rotates out (even if you don't mind the crazy manabases that would result from them and the shocklands in Standard, it would turn the format into nothing but BGx decks thanks to Deathrite Shaman), and they only recently spiked up. I don't see any issues with what they've done with the fetchlands so far, though a lot of the excuses run out when Khans of Tarkir is released.

If you wanted to criticize them in regards to reprints, which is not unreasonable, I can think of a number of things that would be better to point to than the fetchlands.

Fetchlands + shockslands in Standard would be unreasonable since mana base costs would explode, so I'm fine with that. From a recent interview at the end of April, it sounded like it's going to take a while until fetches are reprinted. Khans of Tarkir sounds rather unlikey in that regard, hence me commenting on them being too slow since it takes them two whole years to react to such things.

I don't think I need to comment on the lack of reprints of other stuff like FoW (and no, foil Judge promos aren't going to meet the demand), Karakas, Wasteland, etc.

[kaiserruhsam]

Fetchlands + shockslands in Standard would be unreasonable since mana base costs would explode, so I'm fine with that. From a recent interview at the end of April, it sounded like it's going to take a while until fetches are reprinted. Khans of Tarkir sounds rather unlikey in that regard, hence me commenting on them being too slow since it takes them two whole years to react to such things.

I don't think I need to comment on the lack of reprints of other stuff like FoW (and no, foil Judge promos aren't going to meet the demand), Karakas, Wasteland, etc.

Exposing standard players to fetch-dual mana would be good for modern and legacy, so there's another reason they won't do it, even though it would be fun as hell.

[Higgs]

I'll take some some pics this evening/tomorrow morning depending on how dark it will get before I go home today. Flash pictures suck :( Anyways the vendor says that this is normal varience in Commander products' printing but they also agreed to take the cards back if I'm not comfortable.

[Barook]

Exposing standard players to fetch-dual mana would be good for modern and legacy, so there's another reason they won't do it, even though it would be fun as hell.

I disagree here.

A fetch-dual manabase is not only very expensive, but also, without decent mana denial, about as cancerous as it can get.

[HSCK]

I mean people casting lots of different color spells, or casting spells at all, especially blue ones, that's super bad for Magic.

[Russian Alara]

I disagree here.

A fetch-dual manabase is not only very expensive, but also, without decent mana denial, about as cancerous as it can get.

You got your wish: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...g/daily/ld/301

yes Fetchlands soon.




as for new Chinese fakes : http://fingerlakes.craigslist.org/clt/4492885545.html


if anyone gets his paypal I would appreciate it....

[Barook]

You got your wish: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...g/daily/ld/301

yes Fetchlands soon.

Where exactly is the part with the Fetchlands? Don't expect me to read a wall of text, especially when a quick search for key words brought up nothing.

[Russian Alara]

Where exactly is the part with the Fetchlands? Don't expect me to read a wall of text, especially when a quick search for key words brought up nothing.

mana confluence note: " KD 8/20: Per Dave and Erik: Now pay life rather than deal damage, to match the land cycles we are most likely to reprint." from the Mana Confluence

[big_ticket]

so the fetches reprint are coming,all smiles for now

[Lord Seth]

so the fetches reprint are coming,all smiles for now

Doesn't mean it's coming this year. But if the fetchlands are the ones most likely to be reprinted as the article indicates, they're certainly coming within the next two years.