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There are very few decks posted for this January, and it is still two weeks before Nihil updates the DTB section with his version for the month. But January is over and Canadian looks as weak as I have ever seen it since GP: Flash. It's like 12th. Frankly, even the numbers for December were a little weak, at 3rd. It has rarely slipped below 2nd in the past. Is there still insufficient data to pronounce this? Cuz I gotta tell ya, I have played RUG a few times against Trueblade, and it is stupid how dead you are to a resolved TNN. No matter what I say, this thread will devolve into a discussion on TNN, but I am interested in what this means for red.
Obv, red can not deal well with much of any combo decks. But now, it also looks like red is a dead fish to the dominant aggro decks too. It can't race them or disable them. So, what does red have going for it? What would wotc have to print to make it relevant again?
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Red has always been a support color in Legacy. It still remains a great support color, but SFM-TNN is just better than Mongoose-Goyf right now, so that's why Patriot has replaced RUG in that slot. If you're asking what Wizards needs to do to make Red a great primary color... undo 20+ years of Magic and start over from the beginning (serious).
Red gives you reach and red blasts to beat blue out of the board...
I think the better question is, Goyf/Goose vs. TNN and SFM.
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A few RUG players seem to be adopting TNN and having more success with that. Color me surprised.
A Deathrite Shaman in RUG colors would be pretty sweet.
With DRS/Delver/TNN you are right where my current Tempo deck is :)
The Problem is that Goofy & Geese are dead to RIP, TNN and seriously annoyed my opponents DRS. The only way to break the game open is running TNN yourself (drop earlier than opponent with your tempo suit or run tombstalker/SFM
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Has anyone checked the price of Volcanic Island lately?
Bolts is doing a lot of work in Legacy these days.
Because of Patriot, not RUG Delver.
I don't think the red color has to do with it, but any blue deck right now is trying to fit TNN in it's package. It's just that good - and somewhat as answerable as answering to a combo deck - you either have a counter or sac effect/or prepare your sideboard just to answer to it, with stuff such as -1/-1 effects, or you're going to die.
Yes, I'm blaming TNN, what has changed in Legacy in the past months apart of Commander 2013?
And sneak and show. And Storm plays it (albeit as a 1 of). And UR Delver. A lot of decently played decks play Volcanics
Last time I checked, both decks ran "Red"
Sure, but RUG Delver is on the decline while Patriot is #1 by a lot. You don't have both decks doing well, only 1. So it stands to reason that Bolts are doing work in the #1 deck, not the #12 deck.
I think Red has had the same ~dozen relevant cards in Legacy for years now. Lightning Bolt, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast, Grim Lavamancer, Chain Lightning, Pyroclasm, Blood Moon, Sneak Attack, Pyroclasm, Price of Progress, Goblin Guide - that's 11, I'm probably forgetting something obvious, so I will leave that blank to be filled in.
If the question is what does RUG/Can. Thresh need to upstage Patriot? Probably something UG/GR based that puts up a fight against SFM/TNN - if it's UR it probably just is better played in Patriot. Currently the tempo advantage of RUG is overpowered in a similar shell with a stronger mid/long game plan.
I don't think RUG is doing that bad, it is just that there is a new , fancier, tempo deck on the block and everyone wants to play it. Especially with pros playing patriot right now. RUG will do just give, like it always has.
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Called it way back that TNN would end RUG. There is literally nothing they can do once it resolves.
Was wrong about it making Merfolk viable again. Ah well.
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TNN is to blame. You're just dead if that ever resolves. Red Cards are fine in principle. The problem is more that the green cards (Goyf/Goose) are not too well positioned. And the evasive alternatives (Clique, TNN, Tombstalker) cost too much to keep the 14 lands, virtually all 1 drops theme.
I think traditional RUG would need a Spell Pierce for creatures – not holding my breath for that though.
I think the answer is a Pyroclasm for 1 that can't be prevented. Instant would be amazing but Sorcery is fine too.
Just play Flying Men. Fly over those dumb TNNs. Or RUG could run Silklash Spiders for the lulz
Pyroclasm can't hit TNN.
Edit:
Okay, nevermind
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