Let's assume my opponent controls a Chalice of the Void with 1 counter on it, and I play a CC1 spell. My opponent forgets about his Chalice and doesn't point out to me that my spell gets countered. So my question is: Is my opponent responsible for checking the CC of my spells and whether they are countered or not because it's his Chalice? Or are we both responsible for checking? What would happen if my opponent recognizes it a few turns later and calls a Judge?
STIFLE is good because:
This card is also retarted as a first turn play against a fetch. They pay 1 life, they lose a land, they pass the turn. It's like Time Walk and Stone Rain had sex (and Lava Dart watched).
Your opponent controls Chalice, so it's his trigger. If he misses it, your spell resolves. If a judge is called at any point later than 1 turn cycle, nothing happens.
So I can legally cast my CC1 spell and let it resolve (when my opp misses the trigger) although I'm aware of Chalice without fearing any penalties?
STIFLE is good because:
This card is also retarted as a first turn play against a fetch. They pay 1 life, they lose a land, they pass the turn. It's like Time Walk and Stone Rain had sex (and Lava Dart watched).
Yes. Your under no obligation to point out the trigger and they can miss it. The reverse is not true, they can not miss their own trigger. If they cast a 1 CMC card, it gets counted regardless.
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
STIFLE is good because:
This card is also retarted as a first turn play against a fetch. They pay 1 life, they lose a land, they pass the turn. It's like Time Walk and Stone Rain had sex (and Lava Dart watched).
Note that it also depends on the REL you're playing at. At Competitive+, you can test your opponent like that, but at Regular you're responsible for their mandatory triggers too, iirc.
That isn't accurate. You are never responsible for your opponent's triggers.
The rest of the document can be found here.Originally Posted by Judging at Regular REL Document
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STIFLE is good because:
This card is also retarted as a first turn play against a fetch. They pay 1 life, they lose a land, they pass the turn. It's like Time Walk and Stone Rain had sex (and Lava Dart watched).
Note that the section you quoted was from a Regular REL document.
But yes, you are not responsible for your opponent's triggers in any case. Chalice does not prevent you from casting those spells and the onus is on your opponent to remember the trigger.
In general, the controller of the source of the trigger is responsible for it. Cards like The tabernacle at Pendrell vale, whom grant creatures a trigger, are a little more confusing since they do not generate the trigger, but rather give an ability to the creature who gives the trigger. My grizzly bears has a tabernacle trigger for which I am responsible while in your example your opponent here has a chalice trigger for which he/she is responsible.
Does that clarify?
Matt Bevenour in real life
I thought I just saw some game video where a player got to keep his creature because he drew, then his opponent reminded him that his (the opponent's) Tabernacle killed it. Judge came over and they ruled that the Tabernacle player didn't remind him in time so it was missed and the player got to skip paying. I felt this was the wrong call, and what you've written, should not have been the case. Can you confirm?
If the error is caught within a turn cycle the creature will be sacrificed.
As Tammit67 wrote Tabernacle grants an ability to creatures, so the creatures controller is responsible for it.
Tempus has already touched on what I feel is too important to not clearly re-state it:
Tabernacle is special in the way that it grants a triggered ability to each creature. Tabernacle itself has no triggered abilities.
This is ther reason why a player with Tabernacle in play can not forget his opponent's creatures "pay 1" trigger as he doesn't control the trigger int he first place. Instead his opponent has to remember the trigger(s) for all of his creatures.
Also because people often get this wrong and actually got it wrong once more in this thread: Tabernacle doesn't make you sacrifice creatures. They are destroyed. No need to pay for your Marit Lage token for example.
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
In some people's defense, they changed the oracle text of Tabernacle to say sacrifice then changed it back to destroy. In fact, if you tag it here The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and follow that to DeckBox.org, they have the wrong Oracle text listed.
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