Congrats Miracles if they're a skilled opponent is a really tough match up. I just played against a very good Miracles pilot tonight and got there in 3 (definitely one of the best players I know). Game 1 I got locked out pretty fast. I was OTD and he had fetched island top go. My turn I play out a delver with ponder, force, bolt, waste and some other lands in hand. Not a great hand but I'll take it. He tried to force my delver which I let resolve since ponder was my only other action and keeps my force live. He tried to play out counterbalance on his turn which I forced. Shortly after that though he played DTT found counterbalance and that was that.Originally Posted by Drake0525
Sb for both g2 and 3: +2 pyroblast, 2 flusterstorm, 2 eidolon, surgical, clique, sylvan, null rod, winter orb // - 4 daze, 2 goyf, 2 waste, 2 dismember, 1 bolt
Game 2 I kept a hand with an eidolon, null rod, delver and some other disruption in it. His hand seemed to be pretty reliant on his top since he led on karakas top most likely trying to save his fetch to decide if he could get away with just a basic or if he needed a dual. Delver got in for one hit then was swords the following turn. I landed Eidolon after that which tabled into null rod on turn 3 followed by wasting his karakas turn 4. He proceeded to not draw lands, but he did eventually get a snapcaster out to block eidolon. After that I dropped a goose and sylvan library which finished the game.
Game 3 I landed eidolon into a winter orb and things got real awkward really fast. He couldn't find an answer for eidolon at all and the winter orb was really messing with his mana. This game by itself sold me on how good winter orb is in this match up so long as you have enough pressure to go along with it.
*Note I have tried keeping dazes in even with winter orb. No matter what we just don't want this card against them it's so bad. Everytime I play against them they can usually play around it. That aside look at what else we're boarding in instead for countermagic flusterstorm and pyroblasts which are much better anyways.
Overall I'm really happy with this board I ended up going 2/2 at my weekly losing round 1 to D&T, won round 2 vs Infect, won round 3 vs miracles, lost round 4 to grixis mid range. I made one slight play mistake that probably cost me the last game vs grixis. I didn't daze his Pyromancer when he had 1 land up which allowed him to get 2 tokens off of it before he passed and I killed it on my turn. I was really behind that game having kept a hand of force, daze x 2, pyroblast, bolt dismember, fetch, but I never drew another land. It wasn't a bad hand just I didn't draw another land and he pyroblasted my one cantrip. If I had dazed his pyromancer though I would have been under a lot less pressure and probably could have salvaged the game or at least not died to 2 elemental tokens lol.
Md 54 core RUG Delver with 2 snare, 2 pierce, 2 dismember
The one thing I've noticed with my current sideboard is that it is fairly week to D&T:
2 pyroblast
2 flusterstorm
2 eidolon
2 rough
2 submerge
1 surgical
1 vendilion
1 sylvan
1 null rod
1 winter orb
Despite that one weakness I definitely like it. Since I have 2 dismember main deck it helps free up the sideboard artifact hate slots. By making the concession to deal with batterskull by stifle/dismember then you can run null rod as your one artifact hate. Aside from it dealing with all equipment (SoFI, Jitte and batterskull) it also turns off Vials which really help vs D&T since you shut off two crucial parts of their deck with one card. The other nice thing aside from D&T and maverick it also shuts off artifact mana from Storm and makes Miracles a nightmare to play. Just watching Miracles trying to rip lands while you have a null rod in play is amusing.
Eidolon has definitely earned his spot in my board dealing 18dmg to miracles over my 2 games and another 10dmg to infect before he ended up hydroblasting it after he realized his two noble hierarches weren't winning the life point race lol. It was amusing tonight my board against Infect was: OTD - 4 daze, - 4 goose, - 4 stifle, - spell pierce // + 2 pyroblast (deals with blighted agent), 2 rough, 2 fluster, 2 eidolon, 2 submerge, 1 surgical, 1 sylvan, 1 winter orb. I was surprised when looking at my board and realizing everything down to winter orb making inkmoth nexus act like a port on themselves was good against them. Even Surgical was good hitting his vines after his first one resolved (it blanked my submerge on his blighted agent which then got pyroblasted instead).
I would like to find room for a sulfur elemental, but I honestly don't think there is. Everything in the board is pretty necessary. I mean winter orb could get the axe I guess if it proves to not be useful against Omnitell (I haven't tested that match up a whole lot yet), but even then it was really good tonight against miracles. I think the few options would be going down one submerge or rough for a sulfur elemental, but those seem bad for multiple reasons. Going down to one submerge means my bug delver and shardless match ups become much worse. On top of that if I go down to 1 rough in favor of a sulfur elemental that's kind of counter intuitive since rough is already really good vs D&T. Aside from it being somewhat soft to D&T the board is still really good vs just about anything else lol.
i agree, since ive been seeing lots of that white mare lately, i myself might have to call back Sulfur from the bench.
been running this 15 lately and im happy with it, covers my bad matchups real well.
3 (1 surgical, 2 graf's) graveyard hate, i always hate losing to random dredge decks, surgical can come also vs combo decks, or i shld say any matchup.
3 (pyroblasts) vs any delver, tnn, miracles, omnis, combos...
3 (1 grudge, 1 kgrip, 1needle) anti artifacts enchantments that are so versatile
3 (submerges) bug.dec are still many in my meta, but this might be the flexslot if im changing any since ive got 2 grafs/roughs to strenghten my elf matchup
2 (roughs) any aggro or token decks
1 (sulfuric vortex) with lots of miracles too in my meta, this made a big difference for me to battle that matchup.
i might cut 1 submerge for a SULFUR.
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Graveyard hate though is 99% of the time irrelevant I feel. Regular dredge is pretty easy to beat on the stack. Manaless dredge is the only real deck you need graveyard hate against and it's such a bad deck that nobody really plays it. I'm on the dodge it plan personally which is why I only have the one surgical and nobody in my meta plays dredge.
I actually never really liked three pyroblasts. They're not bad, but I always felt running two and then a flusterstorm instead of the third gave more flexibility. They're great against miracles and Omnitell, but even against omnitell flusterstorm is arguably better then pyroblast in most instances. Storm I always hated boarding pyroblast in against since it was so lack luster. I just think the only reason we would ever want three is to beat solely TNN which is usually ran as a 1 or 2 off right now out of grixis. Some of the UWR stoneblade lists have more TNN, but they're slower and easier to disrupt then grixis delver is. It just seems like a narrow margin to take up an extra board slot to beat TNN when we could run flusterstorm instead of the third which offers more options vs other decks.
Right now I'm pretty sure Grixis is the delver flavor of the week. All the more reason why I don't think we need three submerges right now. The only match ups we want it against are Bug delver and shardless bug. Sure there's Maverick/Jund which we need it against too, but they're less common than delver decks I think. That aside running at least one if not two dismembers main deck can help off set going down to two Submerges which let us have more sideboard options.
Having played both needle and null rod a fair amount I actually think null rod is strictly better. It deals with top which is one of the main reasons to play needle anyways. On top of that it also deals with fast mana from storm, ALL equipment and vials. Needle can hit stuff like JTMS, port, Deathrite, mom etc but a) most miracle decks side jace out and they run fewer of those in favor of DTT now and b) naming deathrite, mom or port with needle seems worse then just shutting off their entire stoneforge package + their vials. Null rod I think is just superior in every match up that you would want needle ie miracles, equipment decks and it has the added bonus of being a house against storm too.
I do think if you were to switch the needle to null rod you could probably cut the grudge for a sulfur elemental. Null rod deals with all artifacts in their deck and k-grip gives you an out to counterbalance / batterskull artifacts would be pretty much covered.
If there's a lot of miracles in your meta I would suggest trying the Eidolon tech against them. It's on par with sulfuric vortex against them. You lose the evasion factor, but it's also hitting for more like 4 a turn (so long as you keep it protected). Essentially you're trading the evasion for a faster clock. Vortex is great, but they get a lot of time to dig for answers. Eidolon constantly hits them and makes each additional threat or disruption that you play harder and more painful to deal with. The other advantage is eidolon is more flexible and some decks just might not be able to deal with it depending on how they board. For example, storm against us adds more mana like carpet and maybe some extra disruption to beat counters like xantid swarm or city of solitude. They usually don't add permanent disruption.
This sounds corner case utility, but is actually a very interesting concept I just learned. My friend Jordan explained it as so:
"Understand the 4 different levels to fight combo. Static on board answer, Hand destruction, on the stack and post resolution. "
Hand destruction is known for coming out of bug shells and esper shells. That's great for those decks because they attack combo on two angles the stack and their hand. Maverick and D&T deal with combo by static or post resolution like pridemage blowing up omniscience. I never thought about our deck dealing with combo other than on the stack until a) seeing Jordan's Eidolon tech and b) seeing Gerry Thompson's Null Rod and Winter Orb tech. To further explain this think about how every combo player perceives RUG Delver: We run efficient threats and a lot of counters. This is literally how every combo player I think has looked at RUG Delver for the past 3 years; no since the conception of this archetype.
Most of the time they board in some more counters, maybe some removal for the fast delver, and something to solidify their mana. By having a threat like Eidolon against Storm they're now under a lot of pressure. For starters, they have to deal with the threat on board which also makes all their cantrips free shocks for us while they try to dig for answers. Secondly, even if they get past Eidolon they still have to find hand disruption for our counters. When I played against Aluren despite him being behind Eidolon was the final nail in the coffin. It was out of left field he didn't see it coming and knew his combo deck and the sideboard decisions he made (force to protect vs stifle and scooze + bone shredder to buy time) couldn't beat it.
Even against Omnitell (which I actually haven't tested yet) they cantrip a lot. I mean every turn they're usually playing a cantrip until they combo. Even when I played Winter Orb against them it pressured his mana and deck in a way he didn't expect. His cantrips now he could only play one a turn effectively without "porting" himself. I think Eidolon would do something similar by making him think twice about each cantrip. Now when he combos he has to do the math of how much damage he will take:
Show and Tell, Counter then things get interesting. ~ minimum 4 damage
If they need to cantrip that means their combo is now at least 6 damage assuming they find emrakul with their first cantrip. ~ 6 damage total
Cunning wish now at best I think grabs fact or fiction. Fireminds foresight says take 2 - 6. Eldamari's call is another 2. ~ 8 damage total
Total damage for combo = 6 - 8 damage.
Again I haven't tested this but think about how much damage they're taking just when they combo. Assuming their at 18 just from a gix probe or fetch + force then that means we only have to deal 10 - 12. That is a huge jump from trying to get the usual 6 delver swings. This is also not taking into account any damage they might take while still assembling their combo with cantrips.
Most combo decks that have decay in the board are for Miracles since the 2 mana answer is not where you want to be against a mana denial deck. Combo decks would rather just max out on disruption and mana against us. Eidolon pressures all combo decks in a way that most people don't expect from RUG Delver. Not only does this surprise factor sometimes get your opponent it's also good vs miracles and slow stoneblade builds.
@poxy14 that's too much artifact hate for me
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This is my sideboard right now:
2 Submerge - BU(R)G, Elves and Knight of the Reliquary with AggroLoam having a revival of sorts
2 Rough / Tumble
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Flusterstorm
1 Krosan Grip - Necessary out for those games you get locked out against CounterTop
1 Surgical Extraction - Better than the second Cage, since it has multiple applications, against Combo or Snapcaster for example
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Null Rod - I also agree this is better than Ancient Grudge right now
1 Arcane Laboratory - Omni and Storm
1 Sulfuric Vortex - Miracles, Stoneblade
1 Sulfur Elemental - D&T is still a threat
Also I play 54 + 2 Spell Pierce, 1 Spell Snare, 1 Forked Bolt, 1 Dismember, 1 Sylvan Library
Thanks for the game report! I think I got off easy against Miracles that time. I stopped counterbalance and established a clock very early in both games, even if he'd had a Jace in hand, he never had the mana to cast it.
I think my next step is to try out Winter Orb. Your insights into the applications of Dismember are interesting. I was never overly impressed with Forked Bolt. It is a good card, it hits a lot of targets, but I think running that card leaves us very vulnerable to threats with toughness 4 or greater - assuming our opponent manages to get a threat like that past our counter magic. Adding a maindeck answer to Batterskull means I can cut the Ancient Grudge from the board and add in Winter Orb.
I'd like to ask a question though: How badly do I need my Sylvan Library in the 75?
lots of mud, dnt and sfm decks here : )
together with miracles and other control decks.
thanks for the very informative inputs CK! i might have to get 1 null rod very soon, shuts down random affinity decks too : )
i always divide well my sb slots and put a good number with 3 slots vs tier decks, and just reinforce them with versatile choices.
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Forked bolt definitely has it's place in our deck and specific match ups. A lot of people who know what they're doing with D&T or elves can play around the 2 for 1 potential that card offers. Despite that the card is still good and if there's a lot of D&T, elves and/or Maverick in your meta then it might be better than dismember. Again it leaves you cold to bigger threats, but it's much better at controlling their early threats and you don't end up paying 4 life to kill a stupid mother of runes or deathrite even though you have to.
I would caution you about the possibility of getting blown out by cutting actual artifact hate by running the dismember + null rod in the board. My particular meta is chalked full of tier 1 or 1.5 decks. I know I can run into any number of different decks ranging from fair D&T, maverick to any variety of delver decks, miracles, stoneblade variants and combo like show and tell or storm. What I do know I won't be facing is decks that actually use real artifacts that need grudge to deal with aka tezzerator, mud, etc (even painter null rod shuts down). My board leaves me cold to resolved chalice on 1, ensnaring bridge (burn decks do run this), meekstone (sometimes elves runs this and even some grixis pyromancer builds use it). It's just a calculated risk I'm taking based on my particular meta which has definitely back fired on me.
I played against this deck recently:
http://www.pragueeternal.com/prague-...ay-legacy.html
and got locked out by chalice on 1. I powered through it and got game 2 with some goyfs and dismember/submerge/force as support, but still not an easy win by any means and I still lost the set. I definitely like my board because it sacrifices some niche scenarios like ensnaring bridge or chalice in favor of hating out other more prevalent decks like miracles, storm, stoneforge builds etc. Just make sure you don't take this to like a 12 man weekly thinking it will do well if you know there's a chance that 4 people are running pet decks like mud, tezzerator, junk chalice control etc.
As for Sylvan Library you definitely want it in your 75. It's one of my favorite sideboard cards and very useful. Against Miracles you can just out draw them. Being able to see 3 cards and draw into pierce + flusterstorm to accompany your force when playing against SnT or Miracles for that matter is priceless. At a time I was running this card main and despite it being bad in some match ups where it just got decayed on the spot it was still really good. RUG Delver has enough unique cards that one card might not get you out of a situation, but finding the stifle to accompany your daze could help counter spell x. You also want it vs fair decks like D&T, Maverick, Elves and even storm. In those match ups your life total does matter so you get less advantage off of it, but the filter aspect really helps finding specific cards for that match up whether that's rough or a flusterstorm as added insurance vs storm. It's really good and at least vs combo it may as well be considered a threat. It doesn't kill them but it draws you all the disruption and threats you need to kill them lol.
Null rod I've found to be very useful. It has broken at least a few miracle hands that were riding on top on upkeep to find more lands. To put that into perspective he surgically extracted his first flooded strand on turn 3 over the brainstorm in his bin just to shuffle. Even if that sounds like it was bad play I'm pretty sure it was right if he was drawing dead and going to miss land drops the next two turns. I've also seen a storm players heart sink further than I thought possible when playing it only to see him reveal his hand a few turns later when he's dead and it contains some number of LED/Petals that were crucial for going off. I haven't tried it against Affinity, but I'm pretty sure they just fold to it seeing as it turns off all their fast mana and half of their lands lols. I used to stick to a minimum of 1 grudge/k - grip effect, but I think null rod is just as good. The only downside is it has lost me some games where I needed hate for a chalice, but if the out is to draw 1 grudge/k - grip out of 40 some odd cards (without cantrips) I think it's already over. At that point I would rather sacrifice that slight edge of beating resolved hay makers like chalice and ensnaring bridge for more flexibility with null rod hating out multiple decks. Stuff like chalice and ensnaring bridge we can beat on the stack, but other decks like miracles or D&T that have multiple artifacts that we want to hate out (tops, vials, equipment, fast mana in storm) I think null rod is better suited for.
We have a fairly diverse metagame when turnout is good. Running into MUD or Painter Servant would be a rarity. It's not unheard of, but it is pretty uncommon. I'm willing to take the chance, especially if some other match-ups become stronger.
I'm not sure what comes out of the board for Sylvan Library, that'll take a little bit of thought. One change at a time, first I want to test out Winter Orb - I have a feeling it'll be really good in a number of match-ups.
EDIT:
I went to a small event at my LGS, went 2-1. I lost to Patriot Delver, but defeated Punishing Jund and Storm.
Unsure about Eidolon of the Great Revel. It could just be that it's bad against batterskull, but it really didn't do anything for me this time out. He didn't make an appearance during Storm, so I can't comment on his value in that match-up. Considering he does trigger against virtually our entire decklist, he is a risky play.
I actually rather liked Dismember. There was something comforting in being able to take down opposing goyf's and such. The life-loss could be problematic, but hitting the germ token out from under the batterskull was petty solid.
Didn't get the chance to try out the Winter Orb or Sylvan Library. Those, at least, will remain in the board until I can test them out.
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Despite eidolon triggering against us it should be in our favor most of the time. Against the decks we want it for combo, miracles and stoneblade builds all have much slower clocks (stoneblade) or just don't interact with our life total in a way that matters (combo/miracles). With that being said even on the draw vs something like stoneblade if we bolt/snare their stoneforge and then land eidolon whatever they do next adds to our clock. Monastery mentor becomes worse if they pay 3 mana, take 2 and pass trying to just get a body on the ground to deal with Eidolon. If they try and swords it and a counter war ensues and we win they're probably down 4 life. If they have literally nothing other than cantrips then our clock gets a huge boost while they dig for answers.
Any threat of ours will be bad if batterskull has already hit the ground, but that's what stifle is for. Eidolon just plays really well into our tempo strategy of forcing their hand and stopping whatever they try to do. Think of it like our very own young pyromancer. Decks that utilize pyromancer are built around playing lots of spells to generate incremental value off of him. Eidolon does the same thing in our deck we gain incremental value off of stopping what the opponent is doing while beating them over the head with a threat also know as: tempo. Eidolon is just better with our game plan when our life total is less relevant since not only are we now stopping what they're trying to do, but they're taking 2dmg for each spell they're trying to play.
Dismember I've really enjoyed as of late. It's nice to not roll over to some threats, but the life loss does hurt. I think its a bit of a necessary evil right now with grixis delver decks on the rise. They have a lot of different threats including angler. Unlike goyf where we can set up a goyf stall and then kill theirs with a bolt we instead lose our goyf in the attack as well. On top of that we don't have submerge to help deal with angler either. With all that being said I think if we want any chance against Grixis delver we need 1 - 2 dismembers. Aside from winning the tempo game against grixis delver game 1 and then game 3 I don't see how we do well with them having angler + yp to clog up the board. Despite how much I hate the card I think we need the 1 - 2 dismember.
Trust me bring Sylvan in vs miracles, combo and stoneblade. Try to resolve it as early as possible without walking into a counterspell of sorts. The earlier it hits the better because it allows for more filter for us. This is really helpful for slower control decks or combo decks. The reason why I say this is because we're not under an immense amount of pressure against any of those decks. On top of that none of those decks have an answer for Sylvan. Since they don't have a clock it allows us to set up very strong combinations of cards:
wasteland pass + stifle
Stifle + flusterstorm expecting terminus to come down
Pyroblast + force
Spell snare + pierce
Our deck kind of works like a combo engine in the sense that it requires a lot of stuff to happen for the deck to come together. This usually involves slamming a threat, countering some spells and a stone rain along the way. Sylvan just helps speed up assembling that engine. It also makes sure we're always drawing live and gives added value to our fetches. It's kind of hard to explain the impact it has since at face value it is a 2 mana spell that doesn't impact the board the turn it comes in. Once sylvan tables though you get a huge advantage and definitely tips the scales in our favor.
Given what you described, I believe I badly misplayed the UWR devler matchup last night. Should I have NOT brought in the Eidolon in that matchup?
Either way, I'm not cutting Eidolon out of the board until I'm convinced it won't work. The sideboard still feels pretty powerful and versatile to me, so I see no need to tweak it yet.
You definitely don't want him in any tempo mirrors. I have a friend who's also a really good player and said to bring him in otp in those match ups but I think it's still too risky.
Even testing him against shardless which he should be good he's too risky. Despite him triggering against most of shardless if they have drs + bear or worse yet a goyf then we're losing. Anything we do to interact at that point hurts us and they can just grind out with drs or win the race with a goyf that we likely can't trade with even with a bolt because it's a 5/6.
This is the same reason why I wouldn't board it in vs uwr delver. If they get a tnn out then our eidolon works against us since we have to overwhelm it with multiple Goyfs or a delver. In which case we need to be cantripping. Ideally otp it should be good in tempo mirrors but it's seems too risky if you ask me. There are too many scenarios where they can play a threat that extends the game and turns eidolon against us if that makes sense.
That does make sense given what happened last week.
So for a boarding plan against UWR Delver, maybe something like this?
-3 FOW, -3 Daze, +1 Sylvan Library, +1 Null Rod, +2 Red Elemental Blast, +2 Rough and Tumble
And also, is Winter Orb good in the match-up? It seems like they are slightly more mana-hungry with all that equipment.
Against UWR Delver I would do something like this:
OTP - 3 force // + 2 pyroblast/REB, null rod
OTD - 2 force, daze // + 2 pyroblast/REB, null rod
UWR delver plays similar to our deck usually running like 19 lands or so. It's still a tempo mirror so we don't want force since it card disadvantage. The only things we really need out of our board are null rod for artifacts and pyroblast for TNN. Despite force being bad in tempo mirrors because of the card disadvantage I think keeping the 4th in is better than any other marginal card in our board (unless you have the 3rd pyroblast). I mean you could bring in a singleton flusterstorm here or Vendilion to live the dream and rip an artifact in response to sfm. If you see some number of YP then bringing in a single rough might be worth it but most have a threat base of: 4 delver, 4 sfm, 2 - 3 TNN.
Winter Orb we really only want against decks that a) utilize their mana every turn and b) being down on mana won't effect us. Tempo mirrors don't fit that template. If they've wasted us then we're probably behind on mana which makes their dazes better. I think the only common match ups we would want winter orb are Miracles, Omni (still not sure if it's better than like a goyf here), UWX Stoneblade and Grixis control. All those match ups don't really interact with our mana at all. On top of that all those decks use their mana every turn and are very mana hungry.
I'm honestly not sure if Orb is worth the space in the board. It's really versatile against a lot of different decks and it plays to our strengths which is good. I'm just not sure if something like the 3rd pyroblast or a singleton vortex / K grip is better. I haven't had a lot of time to jam a bunch of games against all those decks that orb is good against. It's came up once against Miracles and it was great. I've had it twice against Omni once was with a turn 1 delver the other time I was on a mull to 6 and never found a threat so it was bad. The one time I had it against Grixis it really slowed him down as he kept trying to cantrip into a YP to fend off my goyf. All that being said it's still been a very small sample size and I'm just not sure if it's always going to be good or if there will be more times than not where it will be bad.
Hey RUG experts,
My metagame consists of Mentor Miracles, UWR Blade with a bunch of planeswalkers (Nahiri, Narset Transcendent, Jace, Elspeth Knight-Errant), Storm, and from time to time, Omnitell and other random decks. Very few if any other Delver players, but occasional midrange.
If you have any suggestions for my list per this meta, please let me know.
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Nimble Mongoose
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Stifle
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Spell Pierce
2 Spell Snare
2 Dismember (Could be Forked Bolt, but Mentor makes me want to lean towards dismember)
Sideboard:
2 Rough/Tumble
2 Flusterstorm
2 Submerge
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Pyroblast
1 Null Rod
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Sylvan Library
1 Krosan Grip
1 Sulfur Elemental
Seem decent? Overboarded for Miracles? Just looking to take this list to my local events, for a larger meta I would diversify the sideboard a little more.
If you don't have anything but occasional midrange and no other Delver, is it worth shaving a Submerge? And you aren't overboarded for Miracles until you have at least 2 Null Rods and a Winter Orb alongside Sulfuric Vortex. Actually, Vortex is conspicuous by its absence.
I could definitely shave a submerge for a sulfuric vortex. Vortex will do work against stoneblade too
Maybe try -1 Submerge, -1 Cage, -1 Flusterstorm, +1 Vortex, +1 Winter Orb, +1 Spell Pierce
i would then up my reb effects to 3, and instead of having graf's, i'll replace them with surgicals... i always love hitting opponents cantrips, to wreck em setting up,
sulfuric vortex is so good vs miracles, when uncountered, theyre only way out would be their 1-off jcouncil.
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i just played a local legacy event and my two loses were both to omni tell in two games. absolutely destroyed me. I've been testing the MU with a friend and I didn't think it was too bad, but this was brutal.
How are you all feeling about this MU. I've noticed i don't actually have that many cards to bring in post board. What do you all think about playing arcane laboratory? too narrow?
Maindeck is standard 54 + 2 forked bolt + 4 pierce
sideboard is
1 flusterstorm
1 sulfuric vortex
1 pithing needle
1 dismember
1 ancient grudge
1 k grip
1 sylvan library
1 sulfur elemental
1 grafdigger's cage
2 pyroblast
2 submerge
2 rough
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