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    Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    Lately, I've been thinking about getting together an unpowered-but-competitive list that revolves around resistor/taxing effect without dumping all my savings into a P9.

    At this point, I'm thinking about Junk in regards to colors to include Thalia, Gaddock Teeg and Bob.

    As anything like this been done before?
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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    You probably want to play a Fish variant with some mix of hatebears including:


    Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    Null Rod
    Gorilla Shaman
    Tarmogoyf
    Dark Confidant

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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    White trash is a successful unpowered taxing vintage deck. It is pure white, however, so it doesn't splash for bob. You could tweak it as you desire. This got 7th at a powered Vintage tournament in the past couple of months:

    Lands (22)
    11 Plains
    4 Wasteland
    3 Ghost Quarter
    3 Cavern of Souls
    1 Strip Mine

    Creatures (23)
    4 Dryad Militant
    3 leonin Relic-Warder
    3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    3 Grand Abolisher
    3 Phyrexian Revoker
    2 Kataki, War's Wage
    2 Juton Grunt
    2 Aven Mindcensor
    1 Student of Warfare

    Spells (15)
    4 Mental Misstep
    4 Grafdigger's Cage
    4 Path to Exile
    3 Stony Silence

    Sideboard (15)
    3 Abolish
    3 Swords to Plowshares
    2 Tivadar of Thorn
    1 Disenchant
    1 Surgical Extraction
    1 Tivadar's Crusade
    1 Tormod's Crypt
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Kataki, War's Wage
    1 Ghost Quarter

    Stony Silence is a better Null Rod since most hate is artifact hate and not enchantments.
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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    Seems fair. Ill probably sleeve it this weekend and give it a spin
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    I've also seen some White Trash lists with Chrome Mox to power out earlier taxing effects or Stony Silence if you feel you need/want that.
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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    I guess you need spirit of labyrinth.

    I think this one is really strong:

    http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12974&iddeck=95191
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinZ View Post
    I guess you need spirit of labyrinth.

    I think this one is really strong:

    http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12974&iddeck=95191
    I suppose you could substitute the Moxes for either a Chrome Mox if you feel you need the early acceleration or whatnot. It would be decently easy to unpower that deck.
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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    Been toying with the list for about a week and a half now,
    played a fair amount of games against Gush Storm, 4-Colors Control and other powered decks

    11 Plains
    3 Cavern Of Souls
    3 Ghost Quarters
    4 Wasteland
    1 Strip Mine

    4 Thalia, Guardian...
    3 Dryad Militant
    3 Judge's Familiar
    3 Jotun Grunt
    3 Leonin Arbiter
    2 Grand Abolisher
    2 Spirit Of The Labyrinth
    2 Kataki, The War Wage
    2 Phyrexian Revoker

    4 Mental Misstep
    3 Graffdigger's Cage
    3 Path To Exile
    2 Stony Silence
    2 Rest In Peace


    SB...
    W.I.P.

    Spirit is amazing.
    Possibly going to 4.
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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    I think with Dryad Militant, Green Sun's Zenith becomes quite a bit more attractive. Hosing a number of strategies without being affected by summoning sickness is pretty boss. You could also run Deathrite Shamans and Scoozes to shore up gy strategies. Thalia+Spirit+Waste+Strip+(possibly)Stony Silence also seems good. I'd want a Knight or two to Waste-lock them, but that's just me.
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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    That's what I've been building for unpowered Vintage.

    4 Ghost Quarter
    4 Wasteland
    1 Strip Mine
    4 Horizon Canopy
    4 Razorverge Thicket
    2 Savannah
    3 Karakas
    3 Gaddock Teeg
    4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    4 Leonin Arbiter
    3 Aven Mindcensor
    4 Elvish Spirit Guide
    4 Phyrexian Revoker
    3 Qasali Pridemage
    3 Scavenging Ooze
    4 Stony Silence
    4 Path to Exile
    2 Kataki, War's Wage
    SB: 4 Grafdigger's Cage
    SB: 4 Rest in Peace
    SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
    SB: 1 Aven Mindcensor
    SB: 1 Qasali Pridemage
    SB: 2 Kataki, War's Wage
    SB: 2 Swords to Plowshares


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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    Quote Originally Posted by Einherjer View Post
    That's what I've been building for unpowered Vintage.

    4 Ghost Quarter
    4 Wasteland
    1 Strip Mine
    4 Horizon Canopy
    4 Razorverge Thicket
    2 Savannah
    3 Karakas
    3 Gaddock Teeg
    4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    4 Leonin Arbiter
    3 Aven Mindcensor
    4 Elvish Spirit Guide
    4 Phyrexian Revoker
    3 Qasali Pridemage
    3 Scavenging Ooze
    4 Stony Silence
    4 Path to Exile
    2 Kataki, War's Wage
    SB: 4 Grafdigger's Cage
    SB: 4 Rest in Peace
    SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
    SB: 1 Aven Mindcensor
    SB: 1 Qasali Pridemage
    SB: 2 Kataki, War's Wage
    SB: 2 Swords to Plowshares


    Greetings
    I drooled. This is the first Vintage deck I like. So much LD. So much green and white dudes!
    Why no love for more Savannahs? What am I missing? Also, wouldn't LftL be good somewhere in there? And, what do you think about some big creature like KotR? Or is it unnecessary?

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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    I'm curious about karakas - is it worth the slots? If it's really necessary, have you considered Knight of the Reliquary to fetch it?
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    The Reserved List is a) not legally binding, b) antiquated, c) broken, and d) preventative of maximum game enjoyment. Wizards will remove as many cards from that list as possible to increase the fun of their game. Using market research, they can find a balance between printing enough cards to lower a price from $40 to $15-$20, and not utterly ruining their value. This will be both an economically feasible AND sensible move.
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    This deck looks hilarious. On top of that, I think it would cost me about $20 to finish up.

    I may be going to Eternal Weekend and I was planning on only doing Legacy. However, I would LOVE to give this a shot.

    Additionally, it seems this deck has placed a few decent finishes on the MTGO Vintage Dailies (MTGGoldfish stats). Again, seems like something great to mess around with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cab0747 View Post
    This deck looks hilarious. On top of that, I think it would cost me about $20 to finish up.

    I may be going to Eternal Weekend and I was planning on only doing Legacy. However, I would LOVE to give this a shot.

    Additionally, it seems this deck has placed a few decent finishes on the MTGO Vintage Dailies (MTGGoldfish stats). Again, seems like something great to mess around with.
    This deck is a victim of consistency. Drawing what you don't need at the wrong time, drawing exactly what you need at the right time, or powering out the exact answer T1 to hose them are all common occurences. If lady luck is on your side, it makes it difficult for most decks to keep up with you. This deck can almost never play catchup though, so you gotta make the most of your first two or so turns!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPoJohnson View Post
    This deck is a victim of consistency. Drawing what you don't need at the wrong time, drawing exactly what you need at the right time, or powering out the exact answer T1 to hose them are all common occurences. If lady luck is on your side, it makes it difficult for most decks to keep up with you. This deck can almost never play catchup though, so you gotta make the most of your first two or so turns!
    For $20 in Vintage? Fine by me!

    Thanks for the summary though.

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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    I'm trying this one in MWS. Interesting deck, indeed. I like it.

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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    Qty Name
    4 Savannah
    3 Horizon Canopy
    1 Strip Mine
    4 Wasteland
    4 Ghost Quarter
    3 Razorverge Thicket
    3 Temple Garden
    //\\
    // Creatures
    4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    4 Elvish Spirit Guide
    4 Leonin Arbiter
    4 Phyrexian Revoker
    3 Scavenging Ooze
    3 Gaddock Teeg
    3 Aven Mindcensor
    3 Qasali Pridemage
    2 Kataki, War's Wage
    //\\
    // Spells
    4 Stony Silence
    4 Path to Exile
    //\\
    // Sideboard
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    1 Aven Mindcensor
    1 Qasali Pridemage
    2 Kataki, War's Wage
    4 Grafdigger's Cage
    4 Rest in Peace
    2 Swords to Plowshares

    This is what I'm trying for the last several weeks. It's not exactly different from Einherjer's list. The deck is extremely funny to play. I'd love to squeeze Wilt-Leaf Liege in, as someties it takes whole eternity before the 2/x creatures finish the game.

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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    Do you have enough turn one action? It seems a bit reliant on the ESG.
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    The Reserved List is a) not legally binding, b) antiquated, c) broken, and d) preventative of maximum game enjoyment. Wizards will remove as many cards from that list as possible to increase the fun of their game. Using market research, they can find a balance between printing enough cards to lower a price from $40 to $15-$20, and not utterly ruining their value. This will be both an economically feasible AND sensible move.
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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    Quote Originally Posted by bakofried View Post
    Do you have enough turn one action? It seems a bit reliant on the ESG.
    Yeah, sadly this is true. From what testing games i played, I realized that it's not that horrible to start my game on turn2. Vintage is not turn1kill format, and the consistency with which I deploy lock pieces that are also threats is amazing. Most of the opposing decks pack little to none removal, so if I'll survive turn1-3, I'm mostly fine. Sb brings specialized tools against most prevalent archetypes, and they bring hardly anything relevant.
    It's not bad for a budget deck, I think it shouldn't fare worse than 2:4 drop...

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    Re: Haters Gonna Hate.dec

    With UR Delver and Cruise decks becoming more popular in Vintage, what do you guys think about how White Trash performs currently? I haven't played any since last July at this point so I haven't tested anything.
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