[JOU] Journey into Nyx Spoiler discussion

[Lord Seth]

Fixed

By what definition are Stoneforge Mystic or Deathrite Shaman beaters?

[JDK]

I'm sure WotC is just doing the creature with powerful effects thing to attract the Hearthstone kids to their business.

This has been set in motion after Future Sight, though.

https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazi...g/daily/mm/172

[Lord Seth]

This has been set in motion after Future Sight, though.

https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazi...g/daily/mm/172

Except that has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed. At all. New World Order is just a restructuring of rarity based on complexity. I don't know why people seem to have warped it into meaning anything that's different now than in the past.

[Scott]

creatures making Sorceries, Enchantments and Artifacts completely obsolete by having all their effects and equal manacosts BUT a body IN ADDITION.

This has been set in motion after Future Sight, though.

https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazi...g/daily/mm/172

Tonight's challenge: name all quality noncreature, nonequipment, nonplaneswalker permanents (so, traditional artifacts and enchantments) printed in the 6 1/2 years since then.

[amalek0]

Tonight's challenge: name all quality noncreature, nonequipment, nonplaneswalker permanents (so, traditional artifacts and enchantments) printed in the 6 1/2 years since then.

I guess I'll start at Alara block then:
Dispeller's Capsule
Executioner's Capsule
Finest Hour
Font of Mythos
Maelstrom Nexus
Mark of Asylum
Mindlock Orb
Obelisk of Alara
Oblivion Ring
Relic of Progenitus
Sigil of the Empty Throne
Thopter Foundry
Time Sieve

Zendikar Block:
Amulet of Vigor
Bloodchief Ascension
Domestication
Dreamstone Hedron
Eldrazi Conscription
Eldrazi Monument
Everflowing Chalice
Expedition Map
Luminarch Ascension
Splinter Twin

Scars of Mirrodin Block
Asceticism
Birthing Pod
Caged Sun
Mimic Vat
Mirrorworks
Mox Opal
Phyrexian Unlife
Ratchet Bomb
Tempered Steel
Torpor Orb
Venser's Journal

Innistrad Block
Abundant Growth
Descent into Madness
Exquisite Blood
Grafdigger's Cage
Heartless Summoning
Intangible Virtue
Nevermore
Stony Silence

Return to Ravnica Block
Assemble the Legion
Blind Obedience
Chromatic Lantern
Detention Sphere
Ethereal Armor
Pithing Needle
Possibility Storm
Rest in Peace
Shrieking Affliction
Sphere of Safety
Underworld Connections
Unflinching Courage

Theros Block
Chained to the Rocks
God weapons
Gods? kinda sorta not-creatures?

[Lord Seth]

Tonight's challenge: name all quality noncreature, nonequipment, nonplaneswalker permanents (so, traditional artifacts and enchantments) printed in the 6 1/2 years since then.

I'll take a stab at it!

Let "quality" mean "sees a fair amount of play in decent Modern or Legacy decks or would see play but are banned." So something that's great in Standard but not so much in other formats doesn't count. And while you didn't say "nonland," the requirement it be traditional artifacts and enchantments indicates we are leaving those out.

Splinter Twin (Twin), Springleaf Drum (Affinity), Bitterblossom (Faeries), Mox Opal (Affinity), Rest In Peace (general), Grafdigger's Cage (general), Omniscience (Omni-Tell), Leyline of Sanctity (general), Birthing Pod (Pod), Spreading Seas (Merfolk), Oblivion Ring (general), Detention Sphere (general), Expedition Map (Tron, 12-Post), Relic of Progenitus (general), Pyromancer's Ascension (UR Storm), Torpor Orb (general), Spider Umbra (GW Auras), Spirit Mantle (GW Auras), Hyena Umbra (GW Auras), Ethereal Armor (GW Auras), Runed Halo (general), Stony Silence (general), Intangible Virtue (BW Tokens), Phyrexian Unlife (Ad Nauseam Unlife), Thopter Foundry (ThopterSword), Shrieking Affliction (8 Rack), and Honor of the Pure (Soul Sisters) are ones I can think of. Unflinching Courage (GW Auras) if you're wiling to count it, as it's basically just Armadillo Cloak that doesn't nullify an opponent's creature if you cast it on it.

[FTW]

Eidolon of the Great Revel
Enchantment Creature - Spirit (R)
Whenever a player casts a spell with converted mana cost 3 or less, Eidolon of the Great Revel deals 2 damage to that player.
2/2

Pyrostatic Pillar on a stick - AW YEAH!

Looks identical to something I posted in the "make a card" thread. Cool. Probably a huge coincidence. But this is exactly the sort of tempo/combo hate that red needs printed in a way that fits into red decks and does NOT fit into blue decks. I love this.

[Tammit67]

Looks identical to something I posted in the "make a card" thread. Cool. Probably a huge coincidence. But this is exactly the sort of tempo/combo hate that red needs printed in a way that fits into red decks and does NOT fit into blue decks. I love this.

I wish it had first strike so it could properly combat goyf

[Megadeus]

Looks identical to something I posted in the "make a card" thread. Cool. Probably a huge coincidence. But this is exactly the sort of tempo/combo hate that red needs printed in a way that fits into red decks and does NOT fit into blue decks. I love this.

To be fair, I think people have been begging for a pyrostatic pillar bear for awhile now

[Tyrio]

Spite of Mogis seems pretty real. Maybe as fun-ofs in RUG or something to shoot down other Goyfs or Batterskull?

[Megadeus]

Interesting card. Possibly Wish target for storm decks maybe as removal for a bear of hate? Or in Skred Red (like thats a thing right?) to bonk your own Boros Reckoners

[BVB09]

I love the new hatebear, I hope it sees a decent amount of play, but I'm not sure, It doesnt fit firectly in many strategies that already exist.
Thanks WoTC!!!!

[trollking21]

Spite of Mogis seems pretty real. Maybe as fun-ofs in RUG or something to shoot down other Goyfs or Batterskull?

Only being able to hit dudes sucks. I want to be able to done people in RUG. Matches are won by turning into a burn deck from time to time.

[Lemnear]

Only being able to hit dudes sucks. I want to be able to done people in RUG. Matches are won by turning into a burn deck from time to time.

It would be an alternate win-con in storm if this also hits players lol

[trollking21]

It would be an alternate win-con in storm if this also hits players lol

Hell dredge might be able to hit ten or more damage with it. Ya if it burned players it would probably be pretty breakable

[Barook]

The burn spell has potential due to being able to kill of Batterskulls and Goyfs. Might be a nice SB card in spell-heavy decks.

[rufus]

Hell dredge might be able to hit ten or more damage with it. Ya if it burned players it would probably be pretty breakable

It might even work with Mogg Maniac or Swans of Brynn Argol

[JDK]

Except that has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed. At all. New World Order is just a restructuring of rarity based on complexity. I don't know why people seem to have warped it into meaning anything that's different now than in the past.

How I understand it, it is not _just_ about restructuring of rarity vs complexity. It is also about shifting complexity aspects into the red zone (side-effect or not, doesn't matter).

I've talked about this before that players will do whatever the game incentivizes them to do whether or not that thing is fun. The goal of a game designer is to make the incentives move the players towards the parts of the game that are fun. Tracking lots of information is not what makes Magic fun, yet complexity applied to the wrong places can make that the focus. By stripping away the complexity at common, we were able to move the focus back to things like combat and spell casting.

[TsumiBand]

Um wut



Second Black exile target guy(s) card in two sets… a little weird. It's not playable, I don't think, it's targeted removal that costs , but like… I don't know, just kind of one of those goofy "wtf color pie" things.

Does Black get to start exiling dudes nao? Is that fine? When Blue got Wrath of Hog, people got pissed even though it isn't really very good in most Constructed formats, but it was on the principle that "Blue should not exile creatures". This is a way, way more expensive alternative to such a card, but it's another weird case of a color getting something that they classically didn't really do in this way. Black exiles cards in graveyard/library, and I guess there are a couple of older cards like Ashes to Ashes that did it with the standard "pay life to do anything" mantra that Black used to have, but.. I dunno. Targeted exile removal in Black. Just feels weird mang.

Insert standard rant about how they nixed all the strongest things in Black and then went "augh this color is really hard to make different from Red yo"

[Cire]

How about:

Kruphix's Insight 2G
Sorcery
Reveal the top six cards of your library. Put up to three enchantment cards from among them into your hand and the rest of the revealed cards into your graveyard.

Maybe in enchantress or a new type of deck with at least 30 enchantments - because it's basically a draw 3 for 2G at that point.