We take a look at the banned list. Why certain cards were banned, what cards could be potentially banned/unbanned and thinking to if certain cards were unbanned, where they would find themselves in legacy. We end up saying "See Vintage" a lot too...
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Legacy: Miracles
My iPhone podcast app won't let me play this either :/Originally Posted by Cynicath
I just tried it on my computer and it is playing for me now...
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If you are going to talk about banned cards you really need to know what they do first!
Also, from what I recall, Flash has its errata removed in 2007 not added which made it into the broken card that needed to be banned...
My Legacy Decks of choice: Pox, Miracles, D&T or Lands.
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I'm shocked how many obvious interactions were missed in this podcast. Just a few:
1) Skullclamp
How can you not lose a single word about how dumb that card would be in Elves?
2) Tinker
This is not a card for S&T to support. It's a hyper-efficient kill-option for any deck running SDT+Counterbalance
3) Survival
It wasn't banned because of Vengevine, but because running a creature deck without SotF would be wrong and thus restricts creature design. Imagine this in Elves again.
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Yoooooo Guys. First up, thanks for the feedback! Its good to know people are still listening :).
Yeah this is true. We try to make them (legacy) beginner friendly, so it would have been good to explain more about each cards functionality. I think we were just both super conscious about the time, and so might have rushed through some. We try to keep it to under an hour, and time was very quickly running away from us...
1) We did mention elves and skullclamps.
2) This is undoubtedly true. I think it would be really interesting (although catastrophic) if tinker were to be unbanned. I suspect it would spawn new things rather than slotting in neatly to existing archetypes... Maybe some hybrid esper Tezz counterbalance or something? Could be fun (or broken beyond belief :)).
3) I really do think that survival was banned because of vengevine. Survival had been around as a card for a very long time, but saw no play (outside of Angry Tradewind Survival - already an antiquated archetype by the time I started playing legacy) previous to its printing. The card enabled 12-16 damage while doing normal survivally things, which is easily enough to push it over the edge. They chose to ban the enabler rather than the culprit, which is also probably right. I remember the card generally being considered too slow for elves at the time. There was a build with it in (which sometimes also ran NOpro) which is pretty similar looking to modern lists (only mono-green), but elves wanted to combo T2 with summers pacts and emerkul/grapeshot on the top end, rather than tap out for an enchantment. This is also probably why elves wasnt tier 1 for the longest time :). I agree that if you were to unban it now, it would be very strong, as the format is slow enough that it could be properly abused and would reduce diversity.
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Too bad the episode isn't working on iTunes :( Any chance you will upload it there again?
Hi Guys,
As stu said above - thanks for the feedback. With hindsight, it might have been better to cover that topic in two parts. That way we wouldn't have had to rush so much towards the end.
I've edited the post on the website and tried downloading Episode 27 from iTunes. It appears to be working as normal now. Apologies for the delays!
Stu P
See above- hopefully it should be working now :)
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There was a stray "s" in the link! Now working... Thanks for the heads up!
You should review the ante cards, they are really important (?). Demonic Consultation is sweet, but isn't an ante card. I think Contract from Below is what you were looking for?
Edit: White Weenie didn't play 4 Balance. White Weenie lived in absolute terror of Balance. "You'd never main deck Disenchant" <sigh>.
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