So, Judge Promo FoW

[Ellomdian]

Came here looking for discussion, was disappointed...

How about Dem Apples?

Don't get me wrong, I like the Hannah and the Elesh Norn too... But we finally have a Promo FoW.

$250? Discuss.



UPDATE: Now that people are actually opening envelopes, it seems that you can get multiples. Haven't heard of anyone with more than 4 yet. Given that information, and the news that they are going to make these available again in the future, I stand by my numbers.

UPDATE 2: So maybe you can't get more than 8... and it's official that there "will be opportunities to get these in the future." Initial retailer price (SCG) is $999, while eBay auctions seem to be anywhere from $700-1000. Store buy prices seem to be ~$600. Given the number of L2's I know with a play set, and the number of 'inactive' judges who got them, I think people's estimates for distribution are way too low, and there are a LOT of them available right now. Even Judge-packet foils don't get dumped on the market in numbers like this during the first few weeks; I remain curious to see what happens after the initial demand of people who are willing to pay $1k ea is sated.

[Allcoin]

Old border feast and famine is also really nice

[Aesir]

This is far overdue.

[Tyrio]

Elesh Norn is really nice; could have been even better if old border.

[Lemnear]

Looks like the FoW's only going to the Judes who helped people join the Judge program since 2005. That damn card will be rare as shit! 2000$ the playset xP

Hanna and Elesh are beautiful cards even if the idea for the Phyrexian Siren isn't new. It's awesome from the perspective of creativity, but a Nightmare in tournament play

[Ellomdian]

Looks like the FoW's only going to the coordinators who helped people join the Judge program since 2005. Tjat damn card will be rare as shit! 2000$ the playset xP

Discussion suggests that it's going to judges who certified someone since 2005. Considering the judge expectation re-vamp a few years ago, there is a good chance that most L2's (as well as everyone above) should get one. I would expect distribution roughly in line with the Dark Confidant mailings based on the program growth since then. Not to say that will make them appreciably cheaper, but after the initial 90-day feeding frenzy, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pace that card, since (theoretically) there is more demand for the card you can also play in Modern.

While it's a very small (and inconclusive) sample size, I could get 4 right now from judges who I expect to be getting them at $300 a pop. I expect eBay to be in the $500 range until the pressure to sell gets to the more 'casual' judges, at which point the natural market pressure should drive them down considerably.

Then again, this is the theoretical holy grail of (realistic) promos, and we really only have a few cards to base speculation on (IE, Bob, the D-Tutor (for the first 3 months of it's life) and possibly the Fetches/Clique)

[Nuke is Good]

I like that promo FoW and Elesh Norn.

I REALLY like that FoW art, just one would be enough.

[DLifshitz]

Promo FoW.

Good news, but not that great in terms of added supply, if I understand correctly. If they have 5000 judges and the promo FoW is only being sent to those who had certified other judges since 2005, that means at most 2500 copies of the promo in existence, right? And probably far fewer than that.

[Grand Superior]

This is going to be sought after by EVERY Legacy player that pimps their decks. Force of Will is often the only card that isn't foiled due to, well, a lack of a foil version until now.

I'm glad I don't care for foils. This will be absurdly expensive and scarce.

[BVB09]

Is there any judge taht could explain us how the Gift program works?
I mean how many cards do you normally receive, when do you receive them... etc

Also it's strange that the spoiled all this year promos at once, judges won't be getting some of them until Nov-Dec, right?

[snorlaxcom]

So many foil edh generals... Why? What trash.

[SpikeyMikey]

Good news, but not that great in terms of added supply, if I understand correctly. If they have 5000 judges and the promo FoW is only being sent to those who had certified other judges since 2005, that means at most 2500 copies of the promo in existence, right? And probably far fewer than that.

A quick scan of Judge Apps shows ~1100 judges L2 or above. Assuming it's 1 to each certifying judge (and not 1 per judge certified, which would be double or triple that number), that puts your cap at around half as common as an Alpha rare. It's also the most iconic card in the game that's not on the reserved list. I think the estimates of $250-$300 are low. You've got what, 20,000 of each Legends rare? The Abyss is $200, Moat is $300 and Tabernacle is $600. And those are 20 times more common than foil Forces are going to be. Confidant is still given out from time to time for special things; I don't think Bob is nearly as rare.

[Adryan]

I'm willing to pay 350$ per card but with the expected printrun i don't expect to get one for under 1000 $.

It really would be a shame if this card is not handed out as a normal Judge Reward.

[aluisiocsantos]

Also the card looks really bad, illustration-wise. The border doesn't help either. They should've made it like old card but foil. Like they did with Bob and etc.

[Adryan]

I think the old Force of Will is one of the most ugliest magic cards ever printed. One can't argue about taste ;)

[BVB09]

I think the old Force of Will is one of the most ugliest magic cards ever printed. One can't argue about taste ;)

Completely agree. A blue card that's completely red, what a monster. At least this art shows a bit of contrast (not that I love it though)
Also as an art piece is one of the worst arts from Terese Nielsen, from my point of view.

[Einherjer]

...but it's still iconic. And that's what it's all about.

Greetings

[Richard Cheese]

I think the old Force of Will is one of the most ugliest magic cards ever printed. One can't argue about taste ;)

Whaaaaat? The original art is awesome! The new one is just generic, and the border/foil make it all Pokefail.

Old border sword is hot though, minus the foil.

[HSCK]

There's also the chance that it will see wider circulation later like next year's packets.

[Koby]

New frame, foiled out, shit for art. PASS.

Now let's talk about that Sword of Feast and Famine...