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    Quote Originally Posted by Barachai View Post
    Snoopy reference maybe?
    For the younger readers here, The Red Baron is Snoopy the WWI Flying Ace's enemy in the original comic strip. Poor Snoopy never could beat him in a dogfight...

    It refers to any deck that a competent Miracles pilot should normally crush (a modern Zoo deck, for instance), but which inexplicably beats the pants off the Miracles player in the match.
    The (somewhat salty) Miracles pilot is then left wondering what happened, and in true Snoopy form says "Curse You Red Baron!"
    This has been somewhat popular around my LGS (and others in the area) ever since Snoopy became the mascot of Miracles...

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    Re: Worst matchup for each deck

    Quote Originally Posted by Miscanthus View Post
    So to take a shot at this..

    U/R Delver:
    Worst- ?
    Best- Shardless BUG?
    The matchup isn't that bad from the Shardless side. I was something like 5-1 against Ur Delver over 2016, though I did catch a few lucky breaks, so my guess is that the matchup is close to even.




    Shardless BUG:
    Worst- Burn?
    Best- Other blue midrange decks

    Stoneblade:
    Worst- Shardless BUG
    Best- ?
    From the Shardless side, that matchup has felt about as close to unloseabe as it gets. I've beaten ANT with Esper Stoneblade. I've never beaten Shardless, and I've never lost a sanctioned match to a Blue Stoneforge deck with Shardless.

    Aggro Loam:
    Worst- ?
    Best- ?
    Worst - probably Sneak and Show
    Best - probably ANT, maybe Grixis Delver.

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    Re: Worst matchup for each deck

    For Elves, Sneak Show with OmniTell feels like far and away our worst matchup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    For any not blue deck, Sneak Show with OmniTell feels like far and away our worst matchup.
    There are times this feels utterly unwinnable on the draw for any deck without pitch magic. When they say, Ponder off an Island ... and don't shuffle. Pass and your hand is like Creatures, Removal and Lands. Then sol land, derp and tell, omnichimp, derp. The hate cards that beat dropping Omni and having the Ape Demon or Emrakul in hand are pretty slim.

    The gentleman's agreement keeps the format from being a complete shit show.

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    Doesn't Death&Taxes shit on OmniDerp though? Mana Denial+Thalia, Karakas on the dudes.
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    Doesn't Death&Taxes shit on OmniDerp though? Mana Denial+Thalia, Karakas on the dudes.
    Meet Omni Science. Emrakul and Griselbrand unfortunately are creatures.

    There are sane solutions to just Show and Tell -> Dude. But when they have Omniape and 900 cantrips a good number of well designed hate cards just become textless (see: Containment Priest). Even if they just have Omniape and some cantrips, you are normally hosed. There's almost nothing that plays around Omniape because you won't get priority before they can put Emrakul on the stack. Banishing Light style effects do something, but not against Griselbrand. Omnirhesusmonkey makes it almost impossible to have a 'best' hate card, for a strategy that literally a fucking piece of field moss can assemble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btm10 View Post
    Worst - probably Sneak and Show
    Best - probably ANT, maybe Grixis Delver.
    Agree with you on the worst, anything with show and tell + most decks that can power out a quick blood moon e.g. stompy/painter on most draws. As for best I don't know about ANT, I think loam does have some draws that completely shut down the deck but the deck is just too inconsistent to get those draws often.

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    Enchantress is probably Lands worse matchup, ton of basics, can't interact with creatures. Elephant Grass and Rest in Peace hose the deck hard.

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    enchantress shits on every fair deck...

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    Re: Worst matchup for each deck

    Except the ones playing Leovold, which is a fair few.
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    Enchantress is probably Lands worse matchup, ton of basics, can't interact with creatures. Elephant Grass and Rest in Peace hose the deck hard.
    Ghost Quarter is good against Enchantress, but the match is rough (especially if they bring in Blood Moon).

    But Lands' worse match is far and away High Tide.
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    Re: Worst matchup for each deck

    Quote Originally Posted by nedleeds View Post
    Omnirhesusmonkey makes it almost impossible to have a 'best' hate card, for a strategy that literally a fucking piece of field moss can assemble.
    While this is true, the simplicity of the combo also seems to result in a bunch of people playing the deck that really don't know what they're doing with it, and completely over relying on Omniscience as a guaranteed win. I won two games against different opponents a couple weeks ago just by bouncing it in response to Intuition/Cunning Wish, and I basically suck at this game. Also, turns out having your own Grizzlebees is pretty good against SnT decks.

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    For the new Miracles players out there, what do you think are the best and worst matchups for the deck post top ban?

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    Re: Worst matchup for each deck

    Quote Originally Posted by Miscanthus View Post
    For the new Miracles players out there, what do you think are the best and worst matchups for the deck post top ban?
    If you play a good list with no greedy cards then probably

    Best Match up: still Elves, dnt feels also good/better,

    Worst: 12 Post Stompy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pdingo View Post
    If you play a good list with no greedy cards then probably

    Best Match up: still Elves, dnt feels also good/better,

    Worst: 12 Post Stompy
    Which greedy cards are you referring to?

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    Re: Worst matchup for each deck

    Quote Originally Posted by nedleeds View Post
    Meet Omni Science. Emrakul and Griselbrand unfortunately are creatures.

    There are sane solutions to just Show and Tell -> Dude. But when they have Omniape and 900 cantrips a good number of well designed hate cards just become textless (see: Containment Priest). Even if they just have Omniape and some cantrips, you are normally hosed. There's almost nothing that plays around Omniape because you won't get priority before they can put Emrakul on the stack. Banishing Light style effects do something, but not against Griselbrand. Omnirhesusmonkey makes it almost impossible to have a 'best' hate card, for a strategy that literally a fucking piece of field moss can assemble.
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    Re: Worst matchup for each deck

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    It's ten months or so? Time flies. I wonder what he's up to...
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    Re: Worst matchup for each deck

    Just wanted to know what are the worst match ups for Grixis Delver at the moment. Thx for the info.

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    Just wanted to know what are the worst match ups for Grixis Delver at the moment. Thx for the info.
    lands in my experience. burn and czech pile (and other similar bug midrange things) are also probably less than 50%.

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