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    Re: 10 Months of TNN

    Quote Originally Posted by FoolofaTook View Post
    Jund really isn't top 6 at this point. It's a very powerful list but consistency problems keep it from being tier 1. If you want a list to go 6-2 with Jund is your best bet overall but if you want to top 8 a large event it isn't really good enough. That doesn't mean it won't top 8 but it takes a lot of luck with matchups and draws to make that happen.
    I have no idea what you're talking about with your comment. Jund is in the top 6 of performers for the month of September right now. It's not a question of how good the deck is, or what it can do, but where it is in top 8 placings relative to everything else.

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    Re: 10 Months of TNN

    Quote Originally Posted by HSCK View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about with your comment. Jund is in the top 6 of performers for the month of September right now. It's not a question of how good the deck is, or what it can do, but where it is in top 8 placings relative to everything else.
    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=301&meta=39&f=LE

    Jund last two months: 9 top 8 finishes. No wins. 2 second place finishes.

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=23&meta=39&f=LE

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=213&meta=39&f=LE

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=338&meta=39&f=LE

    Delver based lists: 28 top 8 finishes. 2 wins. 9 second place finishes.

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=86&f=LE

    BUG Aggro-Midrange: 33 top 8 finishes. 9 wins. 8 second place finishes.

    Delver and BUG Aggro-Midrange are hard to sort out but Delver himself is very well-represented at the winning tables over the last two months.

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=242&f=LE

    Miracles: 41 top 8 finishes. 13 wins. 12 second place finishes.

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=172&meta=39&f=LE

    Stoneblade: 21 top 8 finishes. 5 wins.

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=38&meta=39&f=LE

    Elves: 19 top 8 finishes. 6 wins. 4 second place finishes.

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=33&meta=39&f=LE

    Show and Tell - SA: 15 top 8 finishes. 3 wins. 3 second places finishes.

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=319&meta=39&f=LE

    Death and Taxes: 11 top 8 finishes. 1 win. 3 second place finishes.

    http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=35&meta=39&f=LE

    Storm Combo: 16 top 8 finishes. 3 wins, 7 second place finishes.

    You can't classify Jund as in the same tier as the lists above. It's more in the Burn category as an often played archetype that will trickle into top 8's based on representation but rarely be seated at the final table of the night.

    Jund is one of the archetypes I've played a lot and I've finally just accepted the fact that it is not consistent enough to be a real contender. The card advantage engines are real but finding them and protecting them without blue to help is really hard. Elves and D&T avoid the problems that Jund has by being extremely tight and focused lists. Jund is like a beltful of hand grenades and once you've tossed them you are at the mercy of any surviving opponents.

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    Re: 10 Months of TNN

    I'm using The Council's database for September tournaments with a min of 33 players per tourney, in which case Jund is in the top performing 6 decks. It's not a qualitative discussion, you're more than welcome to check out the tourney database.

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    Re: 10 Months of TNN

    I wreck all the TNN at the LGS by running Circle of Protection Blue. Works on Delver to.

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