[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[Echelon]

@Sarda'z: I run a manabase of 10 fetch, 6 basics (2 each), 1 of each dual, 2 Phyrexian Tower and 1 Dryad Arbor.

I've found that in Junk you typically do not need that 7th basic. Sure some extra value with your Explorer is nice, but at that point it won't swing the game around in your favor anymore.

@Bobmans: I love that this deck can do crazy shit like that with just a couple of tweaks.

In general: As for getting free wins vs. anyDelver, Siege Rhino/Sigarda often enough also does the trick. But who gives a fuck about getting free wins vs. anyDelver, it's one of our best MUs anyway. If BS were to give us free wins vs. ANT/TES, it'd be a different story.

[Arianrhod]

@Sarda'z: I run a manabase of 10 fetch, 6 basics (2 each), 1 of each dual, 2 Phyrexian Tower and 1 Dryad Arbor.

I've found that in Junk you typically do not need that 7th basic. Sure some extra value with your Explorer is nice, but at that point it won't swing the game around in your favor anymore.

Generally agree, but there should be a caveat that it depends on what exact list he's running. Most of my lists with Baneslayers or Thunes really like the 7th basic. If you're a more typical build stopping at rhino/sigarda, then sure, 6 is fine.

[Echelon]

I even go as far as running Dromoka in my list. But how often do you really need it..?

Besides, that 7th basic you mention often'll be a Forest. How does that help with your Baneslayers and Thunes..?

[Arianrhod]

I even go as far as running Dromoka in my list. But how often do you really need it..?

Besides, that 7th basic you mention often'll be a Forest. How does that help with your Baneslayers and Thunes..?

Gameplay thing. When you have more 5 drops, you prioritize Veterans much higher. It's not uncommon for me to set off 3 Vets a game when on junk, which is perfect assuming one fetch grabs a basic early to play around Wasteland.

[uncletiggy]

I also find the 7th basic(3rd forest) to be worth while but garruk ph is my combat walker of choice. besides 7 lands being the decks sweet spot to consistently zenith threw pierce.

[Echelon]

Gameplay thing. When you have more 5 drops, you prioritize Veterans much higher. It's not uncommon for me to set off 3 Vets a game when on junk, which is perfect assuming one fetch grabs a basic early to play around Wasteland.

Yeah, so that's still more of a value thing to get the most out of as many Vets as possible. When wanting to drop a non-green 5-drop it doesn't matter whether you have 6 or 7 basics out. You have 5 + Daze mana either way. You don't want to know how often I fetch up 3+ basics b/c of Wasteland. The important thing it that you get to the point where you have those 6 basics out, the how doesn't really matter. Neither does having that 7th basic - it does nothing to kill your opponent nor does it enable anything new.

Edit: Garruk is a fine reason to run that 7th basic. As for 7 mana - if you really need it that badly, sandbag a fetch, fetch a dual to get to that 7 mana for a turn and shrug your shoulders after it gets blown up. It's still mission accomplished.

[sdematt]

Yeah, so that's still more of a value thing to get the most out of as many Vets as possible. When wanting to drop a non-green 5-drop it doesn't matter whether you have 6 or 7 basics out. You have 5 + Daze mana either way. You don't want to know how often I fetch up 3+ basics b/c of Wasteland. The important thing it that you get to the point where you have those 6 basics out, the how doesn't really matter. Neither does having that 7th basic - it does nothing to kill your opponent nor does it enable anything new.

Edit: Garruk is fine reason to run that 7th basic. As for 7 mana - if you really need it that badly, sandbag a fetch, fetch a dual to get to that 7 mana for a turn and shrug your shoulders after it gets blown up. It's still mission accomplished.

I run 7 since I have the 7 summer basics that I need, so....

[Bobmans]

I run 7 since I have the 7 summer basics that I need, so....

Do you have summer duals to match those?

[Echelon]

I run 7 since I have the 7 summer basics that I need, so....

We all have our own problems to deal with, I suppose. Can't have that 300 dollar Forest collecting dust, obviously.

[Sarda'z]

Thank you all for replying on the mana issue!
I'm generally running 6 basics, but I always want to have a forest left for the late game nissa plan, so I'll be switching to 7 for the next month (that's not something so easy/fast to test).

[Bobmans]

As promised: Confetti festival

Around one and a half year ago a friend of mine had a baby. A couple of weeks before birth he had decided to celebrate with a couple of Legacy happy party people. Also he wasn't going to join our weekly friends night with legacy for a while in order to support his wife. Around that time i was brewing with Academy Rector and the idea of Collective Blessing and Doubling Season popped up as a gimmick. I build a deck around that idea to play at this party. To give my blessing and for his doubling (increasing) of family. So a festive deck for the special occasion. So that night we had a lot of beer and fun and surprisingly the deck performed pretty decent. (2-1 vs Elves!, 2-1 vs BUG Delver and 1-2 vs D&T).

Mvp was the combination of Humility, Zealous Persecution and token generators.
Personally i liked the deck because there is a huge amount of synergy and tiny interactions that can cause to deck to go fully nuclear. But, one must consider that this deck is build for its entertaining value rather then being competitive. With some focus, testing and tweaking i would even consider bringing this to a competitive environment and YOLO it.

I didn't have record of the sideboard, but i suppose only the Humility and Zealous Persecution are set in stone.

Creatures:
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Academy Rector
1 Eternal Witness
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thragtusk

Experimental combo:
1 Spike Feeder
1 Spike Weaver
1 Archangel of Thune

Tutor:
2 Diabolic Intent
4 Green Sun's Zenith

Enchantments:
1 Doubling Season
1 Collective Blessing
2 Pernicious Deed

Disruption:
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Path to Exile
4 Cabal Therapy

Token generators:
2 Lingering Souls
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Mana:
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Karakas
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath

Sideboard
Must have:
SB: 1 Humility
SB: 2 Zealous Persecution

Maybeboard:
SB: 1 Curse of Death's Hold
SB: 1 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 Curse of Exhaustion
SB: 1 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Leyline of the Void
SB: 1 Spirit of the Labyrinth
SB: 1 Aegis of the Gods

[Echelon]

More Rectors, more Intents and some juicy shit! Omni-rakul or something. Or Saproling Burst + Pandemonium.

[Ricardio]

I have always been dreaming of a list like that but I want a painful quandary somewhere. that card is awesome.

[Echelon]

You could always YOLO that shit and just maindeck 4...

[Sarda'z]

LOL
This list makes me want to play Dovescape + Curse of Death's Hold

[Ricardio]

LOL
This list makes me want to play Dovescape + Curse of Death's Hold

Or night of soul's betrayal so no one gets anything! Kill them with manlands :D

[Bobmans]

Or night of soul's betrayal so no one gets anything! Kill them with manlands :D

Humility/Dovescape + Curse of the Death's Hold is better. His creatures die, while yours live.

[Ricardio]

Humility/Dovescape + Curse of the Death's Hold is better. His creatures die, while yours live.

at that point are we still playing to win? why not NoSB? no one does anything.

[Bobmans]

at that point are we still playing to win?

Well, that is the challenge. Make it win!

[Ralf]

"Revenge is a dish best savoured cold."

You gave me some ideas and after some testing I think "bolt" is better as "thoughtseize":

Revenge Fit by Ralf

1 Forest
2 Mountain
3 Swamp
1 Badlands
4 Bayou
3 Taiga
3 Wooded Foothills
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Phyrexian Tower

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
4 Demigod of Revenge

3 Liliana of the Veil

3 Sensei's Divining Top

3 Pernicious Deed

2 Kolaghan's Command
4 Abrupt Decay

3 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Thoughtseize
4 Cabal Therapy

SB: 1 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Pyroclasm
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 Blood Moon
SB: 3 Slaughter Games


SB is down 3 cards.

Any good idea ?