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    Re: [Deck] U/G Infect

    Quote Originally Posted by Adibou1er View Post
    Considering all these greedy decks out there, I知 starting to believe that stifle worths a try.
    More than a x1 Tom Ross style.
    I知 actually testing a 3 stifle list, with a good first impression vs delver decks.
    They are far too much confident with the little interaction we usually have and that makes the stifle incredible.
    Basicaly my new list has

    12 beasts
    19 lands

    7 bs/ponder
    3 stiffle
    3 daze
    3 Fow
    2 pierce

    4 invigorate
    1 berserk
    2 Vov
    1 BI

    1 loam
    2 crop rotation
    I used to watch tom ross videos all the time. One tourney he played in had another infect player who ran 3 stifle, 3 wasteland. The guy ended up getting really far. I thought it was a super cool idea. Land destruction in the early turns really gives the advantage to a low-to-the-ground decklike infect.

  2. #1902

    Re: [Deck] U/G Infect

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesture View Post
    For sideboarding I'd go something like:

    -1 Noble Hiearch
    -1 Berserk
    -3 Force of Will
    -1 Become Immense

    +1 Flusterstorm
    +2 Swords to Plowshares
    +1 Rest in Peace
    +1 Submerge
    +1 Something else

    The way to play this matchup is somewhat counter intuitive, as both of these are aggressive decks that seek to apply pressure as quickly as possible. Having said that, both decks are also looking to leverage several pieces of soft permission (Daze, Pierce) in order to disrupt their opponent's game plan, so it's important to navigate around your opponent's counter spells before trying to mount an offensive yourself. To this end your best bet is to play patiently and try your best not to run into Dazes or Stifles.

    A couple of miscellaneous tips:

    - Don't be afraid to Berserk your opponent's creatures, especially if you think they don't have a follow up threat. Taking the extra 3 damage from a Delver swing feels bad in the moment, but getting opposing threats off of the board means getting rid of a clock which is necessary component for them to win.

    - Glistener Elf will rarely go unblocked and because it's naturally a 1/1 it'll rarely come out ahead in combat. As such don't be afraid to run out Elves early to soak up removal and permission, which then clears the way for your Blighted Agents and Inkmoths to get into the red zone.

    - Stifle trick #1 is to crack a fetch whenever your opponent has an instant/sorcery on the stack and you have a Flusterstorm in hand. Say your opponent goes Ponder and you crack a fetch in response. This will prompt your opponent to Stifle in response, at which point you can use the Flusterstorm to counter both the Ponder and the Stifle netting you a 2 for 1 for your troubles.

    - Stifle trick #2 is to crack a fetch in response to a Wasteland while you have a Daze in hand. If your Tropical Island is targeted by a Wasteland, you can crack a fetch to prompt the Stifle then save your Tropical Island by Dazing the Stifle. It doesn't matter if the Daze is paid for and the fetch is ultimately Stifled, the takeaway here is that you traded one fetch land and a Daze away for a Stifle and a Wasteland, while also keeping a colored mana source safely in hand for following turns.
    Thanks for the insights.
    As a Delver player I know the stifle tricks :)

    I only play 1 berserk so I keep it post board.
    I知 curious about cutting a Noble here, where we struggle a lot vs Wasteland.
    Maybe I値l bring a stifle MD to add versatility.

    I知 also considering boarding a 3 cmc Teferi to prevent him to play on the stack and to bounce whatever.

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    Re: [Deck] U/G Infect

    Quote Originally Posted by Witch_king_of_angmar View Post
    I used to watch tom ross videos all the time. One tourney he played in had another infect player who ran 3 stifle, 3 wasteland. The guy ended up getting really far. I thought it was a super cool idea. Land destruction in the early turns really gives the advantage to a low-to-the-ground decklike infect.
    I toyed around with this when Infect was splashing red for W6, but ultimately it was just weaker than what the rest of the meta game was doing. My gut says this game plan is too conditional, which only exacerbates the problems our deck has of drawing the wrong cards in the wrong situations.

    Having said that said let us know how it goes if you try it out. Every good idea has to start somewhere a little crazy =).

    Quote Originally Posted by Adibou1er View Post
    Thanks for the insights.
    As a Delver player I know the stifle tricks :)

    I only play 1 berserk so I keep it post board.
    I知 curious about cutting a Noble here, where we struggle a lot vs Wasteland.
    Maybe I値l bring a stifle MD to add versatility.

    I知 also considering boarding a 3 cmc Teferi to prevent him to play on the stack and to bounce whatever.
    I don't agree with cutting the Hierarch, as it's jumping you a full turn ahead in mana against a deck that's trying to leverage soft permission by attacking your mana.

    Teferi has been good but not great in my experience, as it's incredibly tough to resolve a 3 mana permanent against RUG Delver. There's no problem with bringing it in, but I don't think it solves any of the core problems we have in this matchup.

  4. #1904

    Re: [Deck] U/G Infect

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesture View Post
    I toyed around with this when Infect was splashing red for W6, but ultimately it was just weaker than what the rest of the meta game was doing. My gut says this game plan is too conditional, which only exacerbates the problems our deck has of drawing the wrong cards in the wrong situations.

    Having said that said let us know how it goes if you try it out. Every good idea has to start somewhere a little crazy =).



    I don't agree with cutting the Hierarch, as it's jumping you a full turn ahead in mana against a deck that's trying to leverage soft permission by attacking your mana.

    Teferi has been good but not great in my experience, as it's incredibly tough to resolve a 3 mana permanent against RUG Delver. There's no problem with bringing it in, but I don't think it solves any of the core problems we have in this matchup.
    You said you would cut a Noble :)

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    Re: [Deck] U/G Infect

    Quote Originally Posted by Adibou1er View Post
    You said you would cut a Noble :)
    Oh shoot, you're right and I'm dumb. Yeah leave the Hierarch in and leave the 'Something else' out, that was definitely a typo.

  6. #1906

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    I was this (top deck Show and tell, Top deck Ballista) close to make Day 2 at GP Bologna !

    Went perfect 3-0 (2-0 vs Moon stompy, 2-0 vs Show and Tell, 2-0 vs Mirror) then 4-1 (lost to Green Omnitell 1-2, won vs Burn 2-1), 4-2 (lost to Grixis control GP Lille Winner Claudio Bonani 1-2), then 5-3... final win vs Miracles and lost against GreenDrazi.

    I致e played Oko main but it was not strong nor useful enough imho.
    Yesterday I again made 3-1 during my weekly in Paris with Teferi TR main and it痴 such a difference !

    I won each time he saw the board.

  7. #1907

    Re: [Deck] U/G Infect

    I've play this list for the GP Bologna :

    4 Noble hierarch
    4 Blighted Agent
    4 Glistener Elf

    1 Crop Rotation
    4 Brainstorm
    1 Become Immense
    4 Invigorate
    2 Berserk
    3 Vines of Vastewood
    4 Force of Will
    1 Spell Pierce
    4 Daze
    2 Flusterstorm
    2 Ponder

    2 Teferi, Time Ravaler

    2 Wooded Foothills
    2 Windswept Heath
    1 Savannah
    3 Tropical Island
    2 Misty Rainforest
    2 Verdant Catacombs
    1 Wasteland
    1 Snow-Covered Forest
    4 Inkmoth Nexus
    1 Pendelhaven

    Side :
    2 Surgical Extraction
    1 Bojuka Bog
    1 Karakas
    1 Crop Rotation
    3 Veil of Summer
    2 Force of Vigor
    2 Swords to Plowshares
    1 Sylvan Library
    2 Hydroblast


    Ronde 1 : 2-0 vs D&T splash U
    Ronde 2 : 2-1 vs Big Eldrazi
    Ronde 3 : 2-0 vs D&T
    Ronde 4 : 2-1 vs GWb Dephts
    Ronde 5 : 2-0 vs GW Dephts
    Ronde 6 : 1-2 vs Red Eldrazi
    Ronde 7 : 2-1 vs UR Delver
    Ronde 8 : 2-0 vs Elves
    Ronde 9 : 2-0 vs Sneak&Show
    Ronde 10 : 2-1 vs ANT
    Ronde 11 : 2-0 vs LED Dredge
    Ronde 12 : 0 -2 vs Bant Miracles (who wins the GP)
    Ronde 13 : 1-2 vs UR Delver (who semi final the GP)
    ronde 14 : 0-2 vs BG Dephts
    Ronde 15 : ID into 70th


    The deck looks pretty strong in this post-W6 format. In the 12th round, a big misplay cost to me the second game (I tried to save a Blighted Agent instead of my Inkmoth Nexus, witch was impossible to deal with for my oppenent, with my Teferi on board). The 13th round against UR Delver was pretty pretty close. That's why I have some regrets (I was 8th after round 11) regarding that's day 2.
    Anyway, I really enjoyed my weekend with my friends, playing a very nice, diversified and interesting format, with my favorite deck.

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    Re: [Deck] U/G Infect

    Quote Originally Posted by Sydney View Post
    I've play this list for the GP Bologna :

    4 Noble hierarch
    4 Blighted Agent
    4 Glistener Elf

    1 Crop Rotation
    4 Brainstorm
    1 Become Immense
    4 Invigorate
    2 Berserk
    3 Vines of Vastewood
    4 Force of Will
    1 Spell Pierce
    4 Daze
    2 Flusterstorm
    2 Ponder

    2 Teferi, Time Ravaler

    2 Wooded Foothills
    2 Windswept Heath
    1 Savannah
    3 Tropical Island
    2 Misty Rainforest
    2 Verdant Catacombs
    1 Wasteland
    1 Snow-Covered Forest
    4 Inkmoth Nexus
    1 Pendelhaven

    Side :
    2 Surgical Extraction
    1 Bojuka Bog
    1 Karakas
    1 Crop Rotation
    3 Veil of Summer
    2 Force of Vigor
    2 Swords to Plowshares
    1 Sylvan Library
    2 Hydroblast


    Ronde 1 : 2-0 vs D&T splash U
    Ronde 2 : 2-1 vs Big Eldrazi
    Ronde 3 : 2-0 vs D&T
    Ronde 4 : 2-1 vs GWb Dephts
    Ronde 5 : 2-0 vs GW Dephts
    Ronde 6 : 1-2 vs Red Eldrazi
    Ronde 7 : 2-1 vs UR Delver
    Ronde 8 : 2-0 vs Elves
    Ronde 9 : 2-0 vs Sneak&Show
    Ronde 10 : 2-1 vs ANT
    Ronde 11 : 2-0 vs LED Dredge
    Ronde 12 : 0 -2 vs Bant Miracles (who wins the GP)
    Ronde 13 : 1-2 vs UR Delver (who semi final the GP)
    ronde 14 : 0-2 vs BG Dephts
    Ronde 15 : ID into 70th


    The deck looks pretty strong in this post-W6 format. In the 12th round, a big misplay cost to me the second game (I tried to save a Blighted Agent instead of my Inkmoth Nexus, witch was impossible to deal with for my oppenent, with my Teferi on board). The 13th round against UR Delver was pretty pretty close. That's why I have some regrets (I was 8th after round 11) regarding that's day 2.
    Anyway, I really enjoyed my weekend with my friends, playing a very nice, diversified and interesting format, with my favorite deck.
    Congrats on the finish. How did you feel about your 75? Specifically I'm curious to know if you would make any changes, or if you think Oko and/or Once Upon a Time have a place in the list.

  9. #1909

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    I've play this 2 Teferi MD version cuz I expected a lot of Miracles in the metagame. I think this choice is realy meta-dependent. I was focused on every game and I didn't think about if I'd prefer Oko or OUaT each time I had Teferi in hand. I realy like Oko in Infect, but I just think Teferi is better, because of Miracles. Playing without splash is also a thing that we've to consider. Sometimes it's realy anoying to have this Savannah instead of a Tropical. But, I appriciate to have StP as a universal removal in the sideboard. I don't realy like OUaT as a one-off. I'd prefer to have a third Ponder instead, I think. Just because most of time, when you are looking for something with Infect, it's for a pump or any backup spell, not for a creature or a land, especially with a 2cc spell. But I'm maybe wrong. I didn't play Magic last three years, so...

    If I had to change something, I'd probably switch a Teferi with the Sylvan Library in the sideboard, juste because Library is good in the same MUs, but also good in some MUs where Teferi is not very interesting, like Delver or Dephts decks. But, Teferi is also a blue card, in a deck where it's sometimes difficult to pitch FoW.

    I realy like 2 Flusterstorm MD too, in the current metagame.

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    Congrats on the strong finish!

    How'd you end up settling on 61-cards main?

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