I would really suggest some sort of sweeper in the board. Elves and young pyromancer and even DnT can drop a lot of permanents that you need to clear. I'm trying slice and dice ATM and like it so far, but you can't go wrong with pyroclasm. Needle in the board is iffy IMO because you run into chalice problems with it. I also think you may have a problem casting your battlesphere, 7 is a fair amount of mana. These are just all my suggestions though. Let us know how it goes. I'm going to try ruination in my board tonight. I miss Armageddon but don't want to splash for it, so I'm going to see how it does as a replacement
“Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy's strategy.”
-Sun Tzu
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
-Sun Tzu
Decks I Play
EDH
Blind Seer color control
Legacy
Mono-White Stax/ Armageddon Stax
Red/White Goblin Welder Stax
Mono-U Omniscience
MUD
I know that there's a decent amount of life loss because of Ancient Tomb, but would Eidolon of the Great Revel be a decent SB card for all of the UR/x decks out there? Most of the cards that are cast are three and above.
Their life points don't matter against you and it just gets bolted. I don't think its that good.
“Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy's strategy.”
-Sun Tzu
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
-Sun Tzu
Decks I Play
EDH
Blind Seer color control
Legacy
Mono-White Stax/ Armageddon Stax
Red/White Goblin Welder Stax
Mono-U Omniscience
MUD
I guess this is a necro now, but I took first at a small local event with this list:
Daretti Stax
4 Plateau
4 Wasteland
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Cavern of Souls
2 Great Furnace
4 Goblin Welder
4 Daretti, Scrap Savant
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Smokestack
4 Mox Diamond
3 Trinisphere
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Punishing Fire
4 Crucible of Worlds
1 Scuttling Doom Engine
Sideboard:
4 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Armageddon
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Ratchet Bomb
2 Tormod’s Crypt
Beat Affinity in 2, BURG Delver in 3 after punting game 2, and Burn in 3 after mulling to oblivion game one. The deck felt very strong and quite consistent for a Chalice-based deck. I played the Doom Engine because I do not own a Mindslaver, and it provided an exceptionally fast clock combined with all the Welder and Smokestack shenanigans.
I really like the concept, huge fan of prison type decks and I think Daretti has a lot of play to him, very versatile.
Have you had a chance to play against Miracles or something similar? One of my concerns with a list like this is that if you are unable to close a game out quickly, the mana punishment just doesn't do much.
Pyroclasm is probably fine honestly. I prefer Ratchet Bomb because it gives us outs to random hate permanents like Rest in Peace as well as creatures (also there's no Elves in my meta).
Not yet. I've played against Miracles with plenty of other Stax decks though, and the matchup is usually at least a little favorable (a blowout in the case of Braids-based Stax) for Stax. In this deck, you bring in some combo of O-Ring, Ratchet, and Armageddon.
Has Wildfire been discussed? Is a land destruction and sweeper in one card, though it costs 6.
Ignorance is strength
Wildfire sounds great but the issue is once you decrease your artifact density, the value of Daretti and Welder goes down.
You're list reminds me of the original Stephen Menendian Stax deck. You basically replaced Grafted Skullcap with Daretti and Powder Kegs with Punishing Fire. I love it.
Just posting a deck to keep the thread going.
This is very different then what has been posted here so far, but this is my current build for a Welder/Daretti deck.
Note: I was running Faithless Looting/Kuldotha Forgemaster package over Chalice/Trinisphere but the combo match up was to weak.
//Artifact (21)
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Coercive Portal
4 Grim Monolith
2 Lightning Greaves
3 Staff of Domination
2 Trading Post
3 Trinisphere
//Artifact Creature (10)
4 Metalworker
2 Sundering Titan
2 Triskelion
2 Wurmcoil Engine
//Planeswalker (3)
3 Daretti, Scrap Savant
//Creature (4)
4 Goblin Welder
//Land (22)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 City of Traitors
2 Darksteel Citadel
4 Great Furnace
4 Mountain
SB: 1 Banefire
SB: 2 Chaos Warp
SB: 2 Razormane Masticore
SB: 3 Sudden Demise
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Trinisphere
SB: 2 Whipflare
SB: 2 Witchbane Orb
Thanks. It was kind of an amalgamation of several different lists I found while digging through this thread, so I can't really take full credit for it lol. I basically gutted the sideboard though, Leyline is too good not to play. A buddy of mine is interested in developing an R/G version (since we're already playing 4 Grove, green makes a lot of sense as a splash) so it'll be interesting to see where that goes. What I have realized lately is that you can add basically any splash color or engine to the basic Stax shell (which goes all the way back to Menedian).
I'm also interested in developping an R/G stax shell. Are there any good green stax cards?
Eons ago there was Sun Tower: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ight=Sun+Tower
Well, I tried out a mono-red version of this deck and took second in a small local event. I lost to Miracles after misplaying in turns game 3, beat R/G Lands, and then beat another Miracles player. Here is the list:
Daretti Stax (mono-red)
4 Goblin Welder
4 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Crucible of Worlds
4 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Trinisphere
4 Smokestack
1 Mindslaver
4 Punishing Fire
4 Daretti, Scrap Savant
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Wasteland
3 Cavern of Souls
4 Great Furnace
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
2 Mountain
Sideboard
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Ratchet Bomb
4 Blood Moon
4 Spine of Ish Sah
1 Trinisphere
The deck performed well although I mulliganned a lot as expected. I probably could have beat or at least drawn with the first Miracles player if I had mulliganned and played better. Sideboard is primarily for BUG and Show and Tell decks, although Revoker and Bomb are useful against a lot of things.
How fast were you able to close games, or did they just give up on you? I was really struggling trying to close games with my Daretti lists and kept going to time. If all games were played out I would have won all the matchups the tournaments i played in, but not in the 50 minutes..
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