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    Quote Originally Posted by iamajellydonut View Post
    The issue with Pox isn't that the meta needs to be the right temp. It's that Pox is a narrow and inconsistent pile of shit and without a viable gameplan or reach. Slapping in a few copies of Vindicate and Zealous Persecution does nothing to change this.
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    Can we shift the discussion away from Pox, and back to NJ Meta? We all know a deck like pox can't win a 15 round event ;)

    Had the tournament been last week, i think UR Delver would have dominated. However, I think a lot of people are hopping on board to the midrange control build rudy brikzsa piloted to a first place finish, and are cooling off UR delver (the obvious boogeyman in the game right now).

    EDIT: If i was competent with storm or reanimator, i would play those decks in a heartbeat. miracles as always seems like a solid choice. BUG seems to be a bad call since there is likely to be a lot of budget burn and psuedo burn (UR Delver). I actually somewhat expect someone to take the tourney by storm with a classic rug delver list. stifle and daze and wasteland, oh my!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlesko View Post
    Can we shift the discussion away from Pox, and back to NJ Meta? We all know a deck like pox can't win a 15 round event ;)

    Had the tournament been last week, i think UR Delver would have dominated. However, I think a lot of people are hopping on board to the midrange control build rudy brikzsa piloted to a first place finish, and are cooling off UR delver (the obvious boogeyman in the game right now).

    EDIT: If i was competent with storm or reanimator, i would play those decks in a heartbeat. miracles as always seems like a solid choice. BUG seems to be a bad call since there is likely to be a lot of budget burn and psuedo burn (UR Delver). I actually somewhat expect someone to take the tourney by storm with a classic rug delver list. stifle and daze and wasteland, oh my!
    the lesson from rudy brikzsa is that lifegain works against UR Delver. Skull, firewalker, and baneslayer, that's my take-away. Also, some people play UR Delver for budget reasons. If you have FoW, Volcs, and few fetches, you play UR Delvers. If you only have fetches, you play Burn. In a field of thousands, that's something for you to take into account. You can't just sleeve up storm or miracles unless you've put your time/repetitions into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twndomn View Post
    the lesson from rudy brikzsa is that lifegain works against UR Delver. Skull, firewalker, and baneslayer, that's my take-away. Also, some people play UR Delver for budget reasons. If you have FoW, Volcs, and few fetches, you play UR Delvers. If you only have fetches, you play Burn. In a field of thousands, that's something for you to take into account. You can't just sleeve up storm or miracles unless you've put your time/repetitions into it.
    Most of the ur delver deck is modern legal. So it would make sense if someone who only recently got into Modern started asking around to borrow a few volcs and FoWs. Boom, about $100 in cards, borrow some volcs and FoWs, and then you have a shot of q'ing for the PT in a Legacy GP

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    Re: GP NJ meta discussion

    Shouldn't rule out people using burn or insert linear deck of choice because it’s straightforward to play and they don’t play legacy often. Not everyone makes decisions because of budget reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moosedog View Post
    Shouldn't rule out people using burn or insert linear deck of choice because it’s straightforward to play and they don’t play legacy often. Not everyone makes decisions because of budget reasons.
    For the Northwest, that linear non-Burn deck is commonly Reanimator. Over the past year, I've played against a lot of new Legacy players on that deck. The deck is straightforward and the power level is extremely high.

    My guess would be that the most popular/populous deck at this GP will be UR Delver, and if I was going, I would make absolutely sure I had a good matchup against it.

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    ... I've played chalice decks almost exclusively at Legacy events and basked in the glow of a few 5-0, 4-0, 6-1, starts ... eventually you'll lose the roll mull to 6 and be staring down some simian grunts Delver. That Delver will then naturally flip, he'll Daze all the wrong spells but it won't matter because all you are drawing are Ancient Tombs and you'll die.
    I love this quote so much. As a Chalice player in Legacy this is just the problem with the strategy in a nutshell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGB View Post
    I love this quote so much. As a Chalice player in Legacy this is just the problem with the strategy in a nutshell.
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    Re: GP NJ meta discussion

    I was quite surprised to see 0 Liliana of the Veil in the top 16. Effect of the new Delve meta or just happenstance?
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    I was quite surprised to see 0 Liliana of the Veil in the top 16. Effect of the new Delve meta or just happenstance?
    Liliana is shit against Pyromancer and hasty swiftspears
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    Liliana is shit against Pyromancer and hasty swiftspears
    And you need to play blue for brainstorm and red for pyroblast so there isn't a lot of room for BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    I was quite surprised to see 0 Liliana of the Veil in the top 16. Effect of the new Delve meta or just happenstance?
    No main list discard in the top 8 except for the 4 Duress in ANT. BUG was targeted by Treasure Cruise just as surely as RUG Canadian was and TA died in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoolofaTook View Post
    No main list discard in the top 8 except for the 4 Duress in ANT. BUG was targeted by Treasure Cruise just as surely as RUG Canadian was and TA died in the process.
    Targeted discard is not very good at all when 70%+ of the format is playing brainstorm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReAnimator View Post
    Targeted discard is not very good at all when 70%+ of the format is playing brainstorm.
    Doesn't stop people for Hymn to Touraching me out of the event, or bringing in pithing needle for LED.

    Discard is super awkward right now against the speed of UR delver and sensei's divining top.
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    On a different note, what are we to make of this: Grixis Control? Odd to say the least that got to ~13-2. I guess he just outplayed people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    On a different note, what are we to make of this: Grixis Control? Odd to say the least that got to ~13-2. I guess he just outplayed people?
    Good player, blue shell, list nobody could see coming or understand how to play well against in the limited opportunity they had to do so.

    Cabal Therapy with a Young Pyromancer in play must have just wrecked people in the mid-game. Particularly after a Gitaxian Probe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    On a different note, what are we to make of this: Grixis Control? Odd to say the least that got to ~13-2. I guess he just outplayed people?
    Why odd? List looks pretty rad to me, although on paper I feel like it wants a couple Dig Through Time, maybe over the maindeck spellbong or Sudden Demise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cheese View Post
    Why odd? List looks pretty rad to me, although on paper I feel like it wants a couple Dig Through Time, maybe over the maindeck spellbong or Sudden Demise.
    Looks short on win conditions to me, in the sense of going over the top of things. Also, Dack has yet to really thrill me in Legacy, although, with the amount of Stoneforges running around he was probably pretty good. Just not something I was expecting to see get 13 wins. Of course, BTM10's point is probably about right, with YP and cantrips you might not need much else to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammit67 View Post
    Doesn't stop people for Hymn to Touraching me out of the event, or bringing in pithing needle for LED..
    umm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    On a different note, what are we to make of this: Grixis Control? Odd to say the least that got to ~13-2. I guess he just outplayed people?
    Don't underestimate Dack in a format with SFM, or with notion thief. With notion thief it's +2 is hymn + ancestral every turn lol.

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