[Deck] Turbo Depths

[solnox]

^ are you the guy who always has Gideon of the Trials in Bant Deathblade?

[Ewlandon]

^ are you the guy who always has Gideon of the Trials in Bant Deathblade?

guilty

[solnox]

I remember b/c we had a pretty insane game of DnT vs blade where you had 4 x tnn with bskull and I had mirran crusader, bskull and sofi

[Lio]

Does anyone play Dark Confidants here as a replacement for Elvish Spirit Guide? I am playing Confidant build for a month with some success. Matchups like Death and Taxes are much better but delvers MUs got worse. What is your experience?

[chaosjace]

Does anyone play Dark Confidants here as a replacement for Elvish Spirit Guide? I am playing Confidant build for a month with some success. Matchups like Death and Taxes are much better but delvers MUs got worse. What is your experience?

I switched to DC, I really like it. Really speeds up the deck/makes questionable hands much better. There were many times where I had half the combo, a tutor, and confidant, and confidant just drew me the other combo piece so I could use my tutors for something else.

Although I am debating on cramming ESG back in with confidant. In the tourney I played at the life loss didn't matter at all, since as a fast combo deck you want to get in there. The only thing that really targets my Lage in my meta is Karakas, so I think I want to bank on my 4 needles for that, and move Safekeeper to the side, for testing at least.

I also was thinking about 4 Sylvan Library instead of Condiant, only because it digs deeper, but the body comes in handy.

[filln]

Does anyone play Dark Confidants here as a replacement for Elvish Spirit Guide? I am playing Confidant build for a month with some success. Matchups like Death and Taxes are much better but delvers MUs got worse. What is your experience?

If you're playing Dark Confidants I hope you're also playing Not of This World for extra thrills.

[Lio]

I switched to DC, I really like it. Really speeds up the deck/makes questionable hands much better. There were many times where I had half the combo, a tutor, and confidant, and confidant just drew me the other combo piece so I could use my tutors for something else.

Although I am debating on cramming ESG back in with confidant. In the tourney I played at the life loss didn't matter at all, since as a fast combo deck you want to get in there. The only thing that really targets my Lage in my meta is Karakas, so I think I want to bank on my 4 needles for that, and move Safekeeper to the side, for testing at least.

I also was thinking about 4 Sylvan Library instead of Condiant, only because it digs deeper, but the body comes in handy.

There are very few Storm combo decks in my paper meta thus I can focus on beating GY based decks consistently and don't need to play Sphere/Mindbreak Trap. I like 2 Sylvan Libraries SB even though it might be overkill. I like them especially against DnT, where I can jam two Confidants and Sylvan Library and bury them in card advantage for very little pain.

I do not like Expedition Map here without ESG. Spending 3 mana to get a land is a lot (one tun to play and one turn to activate). Do you play an Expedition Map with DC? On my next tournament, I will replace Maps with Gitaxian Probes. I lost too many games to Diabolic Edict (either playing around it or getting Marit Lage killed by it).

4x Dark Depths
4x Thespian Stage
4x Uborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4x Verdant Catacomb
2x Bayou
1x Llanowar Wastes (budget reasons)
1x Wasteland
1x Sejirri Steppe
1x Swamp
1x Forest

4x Lotus Petal
4x Pithing Needle

4x Dark Confidant
3x Sylvan Safekeeper
4x Vampire Hexmage

4x Thoughtseize
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Duress

4x Sylvan Scrying
4x Crop Rotation
2x Expedition Map

SB:
3x Abrupt Decay
1x Karakas
1x Bojuka Bog
2x Sylvan Library
1x Toxic Deluge
1x Dread of Night
1x Maze of Ith
3x Surgical Extraction
1x Faerie Macabre
1x Sphere of Resistance

[chaosjace]

I do not like Expedition Map here without ESG. Spending 3 mana to get a land is a lot (one tun to play and one turn to activate). Do you play an Expedition Map with DC? On my next tournament, I will replace Maps with Gitaxian Probes. I lost too many games to Diabolic Edict (either playing around it or getting Marit Lage killed by it).

I do not like Expedition map at all actually, mainly because of the 3 mana total, I prefer my turn ones to be needle, discard, or safekeeper (currently) or better yet petal and (when i cram ESG back into the deck) turn one Confidant or scrying. My turn two is (hopefully) a depths and a hexmage, if not then confidant. I have also moved away from into the north and haven't really missed it.

My list is currently
4x Dark Depths
4x Thespian Stage
4x Uborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2x Verdant Catacomb
1x Overgrown tomb
3x Blooming Marsh
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Sejirri Steppe
1x Swamp
1x Forest
1x Maze of Ith
1x Bojuka Bog

4x Lotus Petal
4x Pithing Needle

4x Dark Confidant
3x Sylvan Safekeeper
4x Vampire Hexmage

4x Thoughtseize
4x Duress

4x Sylvan Scrying
4x Crop Rotation

1x Sylvan Library

SB is currently
4x Leyline of the Void (will probably go back to surgical)
1x Reverent Silence (which may become Back to nature due to my low forest count)
1x Sylvan Library
4x Sphere of resistance
2x Golgari Charm
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Karakas

For testing, I am thinking of
MD:
-3 Sylvan Safe Keeper
-1 Sylvan Library

+4 Elvish Spirit Guide

SB to become
3x Surgical Extraction
2x Sylvan Library
2x Abrupt Decay
2x Golgari Charm
1x Karakas
1x Back to Nature
4x Sphere of Resistance

NOTE: I do own Bayou, I know I should put it in the deck, I am trying to convince myself it's okay to play white border cards. it isn't going so well :P

EDIT: I also have this terrible idea to make a transformational sideboard, and seeing re animator depths makes me want to do like:
4x Entomb
4x Reanimate
4x Chancellor of the Annex
3x Exhume/animate dead

alternatively Grindstone combo SB and I could do something like deathmark

[solnox]

I've tried confidant in the past but it really never did anything and turned on lightning bolts and fatal pushes that were usually dead in my opponent's hand.

ESG lets you do the most busted plays the deck is capable of.

[Pomegrant]

Hey DNS, I liked your Sylvan Safekeepers. Thoughts on cutting one for a Steely Resolve?

[DNSolver]

One of the many things I like about Safekeeper is that it sacrifices itself to Edict effects, allowing you to play through anything that isn't Edict + Swords (although those are usually not in the same deck) or double Edict (which is fragile to discard). So I haven't considered switching one to Resolve yet, especially because people are rather high on Edict right now and think we can't beat it.

[Pomegrant]

Build a Dryad Arbor into the sideboard. Fetch+Rotate should be good enough for it.

Try the resolve out. When it's good, it's really good.

[Negator77']

Build a Dryad Arbor into the sideboard. Fetch+Rotate should be good enough for it.

Try the resolve out. When it's good, it's really good.

Having tried Arbor out a few different times, I would suggest also giving Mishra's Factory a try in that slot. It's been more effective in my testing even though it's not fetchable like Arbor is. Tapped or summoning sick lands are brutal beyond the mandatory ones (Bog, Steppe). Factories and Stage copies of Factories perform a lot of secondary work killing walkers and whatnot as well.

[Slacker1348]

So I'm not entirely sure where this list actually belongs, and must state I'm not the creator of this list. It's the 16th place list from GP Vegas, and I believe all of the Dark Depths players might appreciate this deck.

I've played it at my LGS in our past couple events to a 3-1 finish both times. Losing only to Storm in G3 (he hid behind a defense grid while I had stifle in hand,) and Elves Game 3, just did elf-y things. I even somehow beat burn by the skin of my teeth.

Just thought I'd drop the list in this thread for discussion, it's a blast to play, especially if you're looking for a control style build.

1 Dark Depths
2 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
2 Underground Sea
1 Karakas
1 Thespian's Stage
4 Wasteland
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Cabal Pit
1 Swamp
1 Forest
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Cephalid Coliseum

1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Baleful Strix
4 Deathrite Shaman

2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

1 Pernicious Deed

4 Brainstorm
1 Intuition
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Crop Rotation
3 Force of Will
3 Stifle

1 Toxic Deluge
2 Life from the Loam
1 Ponder
1 Maelstrom Pulse

[filln]

So I'm not entirely sure where this list actually belongs, and must state I'm not the creator of this list. It's the 16th place list from GP Vegas, and I believe all of the Dark Depths players might appreciate this deck.

Definitely one of the sweetest decks around. Here is the thread you're looking for.

[chaosjace]

Just crammed ESG in the deck with confidant for testing. Only running 2 safekeeper main now, cut a needle and duress. Thinking about going to 61 cards.

[jdmdave]

Going to GP Kyoto, so have time to burn on legacy 8 mans this friday/Japanese legacy championship if I don't day 2 the main event.

Should I jam safekeeper depths or jump on the reanimator depths bandwagon? As for Dnsolvers list, is there a more recent sideboard +/- guide? I've been practicing limited for the GP, so a bit out of the loop.

[solnox]

I don't get the hype for the Reanimator Depths deck.

[Claymore]

Let's you attack from two hard to interact with combos, or straight up hard cast Grave Titan. Unfortunately means your deck can shit on you by giving only half of your two combos.

[solnox]

I get that part, I just really hate drawing the wrong halves together.