No - there are enough strong red rituals that you can chain up and go Rb, possibly playing Infernal Tutor to duplicate riutual-effects. So something like this:
[cards]4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Arid Mesa
7 Mountain
2 Swamp
4 Lotus Petal
4 Seething Song
4 Rite of Flame
4 Manamorphose
4 Desperate Ritual
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Street Wraith
4 Dragonstorm
4 Bogardan Hellkiite
1 Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund
3 Kokusho, the Evening Star
So, you want to say the following:
-Let's waste another +1 slot on useless dragons.
-Let's play B for Infernal and some senseless Street Wraith but let's ignore Dark Ritual and Cabal Ritual because
we can search for weaker rituals with Infernal.
-Let's ignore cantrips and be dependent on the topdeck
-We don't need protection
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The Dragonstorm
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...he-Dragonstorm
How about something like this:
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Preordain
3 See Beyond /14
4 Duress
2 Thoughtseize /6
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Seeting Song /12
4 Dragonstorm
2 Thundermaw Hellkite
1 Bogardan Hellkite
1 Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund /8
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Island
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors /20
Pro's:
1. Two out of four dragons are castable.
2. Storm 3 is enough for an instant Dragonstorm kill.
3. Postboard we could even vast Karrthus, assuming we add green to the sideboard.
Con's:
1. A well timed Terminus stops our kill.
2. Well, the usual con: Dragonstorm is rediculously slow.
Okay...
See Beyond? We have Brainstorm and fetches.
No Burning Wish? It's like were playing with 4 extra copies of Dragonstorm, plus ANY other sorcery that can result in a kill. Don't have the mana but a wish? Go get Empty. Have the mana and no Dragonstorm? Wish for it. No brainer.
Neat idea but it has to be defined how vulnerable the attack step may be. 4 Bogardans shot damage which can be blocked by Leyline but usually allow for a safe kill.
T Hellkite makes dragons nearly unblockable which is definately a nice effect.
I think that your "Con 2." is the point which demands most of our focus and widely rejects non-blue approaches.
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The Dragonstorm
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Yeah it's just not easy to make a list that works.
I think the upsides of Thundermaw compensate for the vulnerability against Terminus.
It's just that you every now and then draw an awkward hand, and have to improvise.
The option of turn two Song into Thundermaw is pretty nice.
It's a four turn clock, and if they have to block with Delver and Bolt it, at least it buys us time.
Have you tried Lotus Bloom? Good against slower decks, but sucks big time against faster decks...
Maybe it's an option for the sideboard? It pays for a third of the Dragonstorm, which is a great help.
Out of the box idea:
Tezzeret the Seeker and Grim Monolith
This allows us to drop black (artifacts make the mana we need).
Tezz is easily cast if we play enough sol lands and stuff that works with those.
We could play a more controllish shell, with a combo finish.
Probably a terrible idea, but worth looking into.
I am pretty sure that casting random dragons via rituals isn't the best route for a Legacy deck, which The Dragonstorm apparently tries to be.
I have thought about Force of Will and some other counterspells as protection; similar to SneakShow's.
U/R approach with Fire/Ice and Dig Through Time. I will post a list later maybe.
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The Dragonstorm
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Where are the Scourge of Valkas? At the very least, the first Scourge is better than the fourth Bogardan Hellkite.
With 1 Scourge:
Dragonstorm for 4 Dragons:
Scourge - 1
Hellkite - 2+5=7
Hellkite - 3+5=8
Hellkite - 4+5=9
9+8+7+1=25 damage
Dragonstorm for 3 Dragons:
Scourge - 1
Hellkite - 2+5=7
Hellkite - 3+5=8
8+7+1=16 damage
With 2 Scourges:
Dragonstorm for 4 Dragons:
Scourge - 1
Scourge - 2+2=4
Hellkite - 3+3+5=11
Hellkite - 4+4+5=13
1+4+11+13=29 damage
Dragonstorm for 3 Dragons:
Scourge - 1
Scourge - 2+2=4
Hellkite - 3+3+5=11
1+4+11=16 damage
4 Hellkites is either 20 or 15 for 4 or 3 dragons, respectively.
WantToPonder
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The Dragonstorm
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If you're willing to risk removal:
Scourge of Valkas (1)
Scourge of Valkas (2+2)
Broodmate Dragon (4+4+4+4)
With 4 dragons, there's a champion loop using Changeling Berkserker
Edit: It's fragile, but you can go infinite with three dragons:
Scourge of Valkas
Bladewing the Risen
Changeling Bersker
Re-Edit: This doesn't work because the Scourge damage is determined on resolution and will only do 2 to the bersker.
Of course, all this is the easy part.
Last edited by rufus; 12-04-2014 at 03:18 PM.
WantToPonder
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The Dragonstorm
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...he-Dragonstorm
Years ago a friend played this deck to a great result ina big event.
May be there is some ideas you can get.
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=7402&iddeck=53860
Its like a mono red past in flames.
I do think this dragonstorm deck needs more rituals, like rite of flame and so. More mana is never wrong. And silence can be the answer. Also while playing so many rituals passt in flames gets better.
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You are welcome (:
Just gave some ideas. Any kind of storm is good to have ^^
I'm not too familiar with this deck, but I noticed a new dragon being spoiled in FRF, and I immediately thought of this thread. I'm refering to Atarka, World Render. If you combine this with Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund you only need 2 dragons to attack for lethal (assuming no flying blockers or ensnaring bridges).
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How much benefit does black as a color offers? Not much. Black rituals can be raplaced with all-red rituals and artifact mana accelerants like Lotus Petal and Grim Monilith. You can play Pact of Negation, Flusterstorm, and Swan Swong (2/2 flyers gets tapped anyway) as disruption. Gitaxian Probe and Manamorphose both generate storm count and dig for mana. Why not keep it strictly U/R? Also why is there no Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Crystal Veins?
I was wondering what is the biggest issue with this deck, is it getting mana fast enough or finding dragonstorm or protection? I'm trying to build this kind of a deck in modern and found out that RG with tronlands is the best so far. With green you can play tooth and nails as dragonstorm 5-8 and with this new double striking dragon it doesn't sound that bad. Green mana you can get from manamorphoses and artifacts like lotus petals and maybe manafilter-draw-rocks like chromatic star or even elvish spirit guide. This idea is just an another angle to think to make this deck more viable.
re: Tooth and Nail. You actually want dragons to be in your library, not just to enable Dragonstorm but for other obvious reasons as well. The second option of Tooth and Nail also doesn't go well with the theme as I mentioned, you'd want or (often) have storm enablers and DS/tutor in your hand than actual dragon creature cards.
Yeah I know, but with tooth and nail you can also win a game right away with 9 mana: search your deck for karrthus and atarka and put them into play. Then two haste double strikers for the win if they don't have flying blockers or removal. So it can replace tutors somehow but I think tutor is better for finding answers as well? But usually you have to use a tutor a turn before going off because our winning spells cost so much mana.
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