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    [Hypothetical] Fair Phyrexian Mana Brainstorm

    This post got me thinking:
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    Phyrexian Brainstorm in the last core set plz.
    Now, this is purely hypothetical, but think of it as an interesting thought experiment. What would Phyrexian Brainstorm need to cost to be good but not broken? Is there any way to make it playable but not format-warping or format-breaking?

    (Side question: Is there no symbol for phyrexian mana, like and and ?)

    Is there any way to cost a Phyrexian Brainstorm so that it's played in some decks, but not every deck, or even every blue deck? Where would the power level be compared to Ponder in the blue decks?

    At :pb:, Phyrexian Brainstorm is clearly much, much better than Brainstorm. This won't work.
    At {pu} I suspect Phyrexian Brainstorm would see play in EVERY deck.
    At {pu}{pu} would this see play in any blue decks, all of the blue decks, or none of the blue decks?
    I think {pu}{pu} and {pu}{pu} is probably too expensive to see play in anything.

    What about a Phyrexian Ponder? At {pu}, it wouldn't be played in any blue deck, but would probably have to be played in every non-blue deck. Is there a good cost for Phyrexian Ponder the would make it playable in some, but not all non-blue decks?

    This exercise makes me appreciate the design of Gitaxian Probe and Dismember.
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    Re: [Hypothetical] Fair Phyrexian Mana Brainstorm

    Whatever it costs, you have to ban Brainstorm if this is printed or else the format will be really stupid.

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    Any Phyrexian Mana Brainstorm will either be unplayable or in every Legacy list.

    Do you really want to go through the thought exercise of what constitutes unplayable or omnipresent? Think about it.

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    Re: [Hypothetical] Fair Phyrexian Mana Brainstorm

    It could be the Brainstorm for the other decks. The new phyrexian mana cards could be colorshifted and have a clause preventing them not to be played with given colors, something like:

    "Play ~ only if lands you control cannot produce blue mana."

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    Re: [Hypothetical] Fair Phyrexian Mana Brainstorm

    1 + phyrexian green + phyrexian black
    Instant
    Draw three, put two back on top.
    You may only cast this spell if you do not control any lands which could produce

    I think the real solution is to print a card which cannot be played in conjunction with blue spells.

    EDIT: I totally had this idea without even reading the post above me. I've long wondering if preventing certain cards being played with specific colors is a worthwhile design space for Wizards.
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    Re: [Hypothetical] Fair Phyrexian Mana Brainstorm

    2ph i guess. I THINK phph could not be broken because 4 life are actually a steep commitment, and U+ 2 life for a brainstorm sounds actually fair. Any deck running that would be extremely vulnerable to burn for example.

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    Re: [Hypothetical] Fair Phyrexian Mana Brainstorm

    Why should every deck be forced into running Brainstorm effects?

    I echo FoolofaTook's statement: This is a terrible idea either way. You would have to use really bad designs to prevent blue decks from running it, too.

    Plus, Gitaxian Probe is terrible, terrible Magic card that significantly lowers the skill ceiling of the game for a laughable resource investment.

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    Re: [Hypothetical] Fair Phyrexian Mana Brainstorm

    Have it cost 9 phyrexian mana, only castable w. colorless mana.

    Fixed. 18 life.
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    In order for this thread to have a meaningful discussion, you have to ban fetchland from all the formats. Then, you can have whatever stupid storm you want.

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