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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    There's also River Kelpie. Resolving all the triggers is a major pain though.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Quote Originally Posted by Noloam_ View Post
    these are my thoughts right now:

    Mainboard:

    4 golgari grave troll
    4 stinkweed imp
    4 golgari thug
    4 shambling shell
    3 whrilpool rider
    4 prized amalgam

    4 bridge from below
    4 cabal therapy
    4 dread return
    4 hogaak, arisen necropolis


    4 street wraith
    4 nether shadow
    4 narcomoeba
    1 flayer of the hateboand
    4 phantasmagorian
    4 ichorid






    Sideboard:

    1 Force of Negation
    4 force of will
    4 force of vigor
    3 faerie macabre
    1 chancellor of anex
    2 mindbreak trap


    i have updated my list. I do believe force of negation is better than disrupting shoal
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Quote Originally Posted by Noloam_ View Post
    i have updated my list. I do believe force of negation is better than disrupting shoal
    Easily
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Quote Originally Posted by Noloam_ View Post
    i have updated my list. I do believe force of negation is better than disrupting shoal
    I'm off the blue plan myself now, but since you aren't playing Disrupting Shoal anymore, you could consider replacing Whirlpool Rider with Whirlpool Drake.

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    Disrupting Shoal is better than Force of Negation when against Containment Priest, so that is something to keep in mind.

    Also, thanks for the list, kombatkiwi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    I'm off the blue plan myself now, but since you aren't playing Disrupting Shoal anymore, you could consider replacing Whirlpool Rider with Whirlpool Drake.
    great point
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Quote Originally Posted by Whoshim View Post
    Disrupting Shoal is better than Force of Negation when against Containment Priest, so that is something to keep in mind.

    Also, thanks for the list, kombatkiwi.
    i'm mostly a death and taxes player. most people dont run 2 priests anymore, so i believe the pact is beter in almost all other instances.
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    Somehow, I haven't faced Tormod's Crypt or Relic of Progenitus yet. Any tips on playing against them? I'm wondering when opponents usually/should pop them, how to consider Crypt in terms of Force of Vigor, etc. If they play it turn 1, do I Force of Vigor it right then? And I've heard that Gigapede helps against Crypt but I'm not sure how. thx

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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Relic's tap ability can straightup kill you if you don't have a Street Wraith or Phantasmagorian.

    As for saccing Crypt/Relic you basically want to slowroll it and keep your hand full at all times so you can discard to hand size as soon as they pop it. More often than not it gets popped either before your first dredge or just after, which is premature in my opinion. An opponent that knows what they're doing should sac it as soon as the first trigger for whatever creature to return from your graveyard to the battlefield goes on the stack (so probably a Narcomoeba/Ichorid trigger). That way they get the most value whilst leaving us with nothing.
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    Leyline of Combustion is definitely worth talking about, that's now eight Leylines you can SB vs Storm and dropping multiple, different Leylines off of your starting hand is going to give Echoing Truth fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echelon View Post
    Relic's tap ability can straightup kill you if you don't have a Street Wraith or Phantasmagorian.

    As for saccing Crypt/Relic you basically want to slowroll it and keep your hand full at all times so you can discard to hand size as soon as they pop it. More often than not it gets popped either before your first dredge or just after, which is premature in my opinion. An opponent that knows what they're doing should sac it as soon as the first trigger for whatever creature to return from your graveyard to the battlefield goes on the stack (so probably a Narcomoeba/Ichorid trigger). That way they get the most value whilst leaving us with nothing.
    Makes sense, thanks.

    Do I perceive, then, that if an opponent dropped a Crypt on turn 1 and you had a Force of Vigor in hand, you wouldn't bother destroying it on their turn and setting yourself back 2 turns, and you'd just let it ride?

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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Absolutely!

    Force is for stuff that doesn't solve itself, like Leylines, Cage and RiP
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    I have a small amount of main deck space and I think I want something that helps me against combo, either by making me faster or hampering the opposing combo deck.

    I figure that I'm gonna do very well against fair decks, and I've done all I can against hate in the sideboard with things like Force of Vigor, so maybe I should think about combo, even though I don't really have sideboard space.

    I'm brainstorming a list of maindeckable, or maybe not, cards that are good against combo. We already have speed cards like Street Wraith, Phantasmagorian, and the combo finish, and disruption in Cabal Therapy. There's also stuff in the sideboard like Leylines.

    So far my list has:
    Mishra's Bauble/Urza's Bauble and Gigapede for speed/business. Maybe Creeping Chill?
    Chancellor of the Annex, Faerie Macabre, Unmask and Force of Will for disruption

    Any other cards, or other ideas on options to improve positioning?

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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Creeping Chill is awesome
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    18th place in this weekend's MTGO Challenge:
    Similar to mine, except I have -3 Chill, +1 Spy, +1 Shell, +1 undecided, and Serum Powder and Gigapede in the SB along with the Sickening Shoals and Force of Vigors.

    // Creature (45)
    2 Balustrade Spy
    1 Flayer of the Hatebound
    4 Golgari Grave-Troll
    4 Golgari Thug
    3 Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis
    4 Ichorid
    4 Narcomoeba
    4 Nether Shadow
    4 Phantasmagorian
    4 Prized Amalgam
    3 Shambling Shell
    4 Stinkweed Imp
    4 Street Wraith

    // Sorcery (11)
    4 Cabal Therapy
    3 Creeping Chill
    4 Dread Return

    // Enchantment (4)
    4 Bridge from Below

    // Sideboard
    2 Contagion
    3 Faerie Macabre
    4 Force of Vigor
    3 Mindbreak Trap
    1 Progenitus
    2 Sickening Shoal

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    I'd want more than 15 green sources for Force of Vigor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    18th place in this weekend's MTGO Challenge:
    Similar to mine, except I have -3 Chill, +1 Spy, +1 Shell, +1 undecided, and Serum Powder and Gigapede in the SB along with the Sickening Shoals and Force of Vigors.

    // Creature (45)
    2 Balustrade Spy
    1 Flayer of the Hatebound
    4 Golgari Grave-Troll
    4 Golgari Thug
    3 Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis
    4 Ichorid
    4 Narcomoeba
    4 Nether Shadow
    4 Phantasmagorian
    4 Prized Amalgam
    3 Shambling Shell
    4 Stinkweed Imp
    4 Street Wraith

    // Sorcery (11)
    4 Cabal Therapy
    3 Creeping Chill
    4 Dread Return

    // Enchantment (4)
    4 Bridge from Below

    // Sideboard
    2 Contagion
    3 Faerie Macabre
    4 Force of Vigor
    3 Mindbreak Trap
    1 Progenitus
    2 Sickening Shoal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lava Snacks View Post
    I have a small amount of main deck space and I think I want something that helps me against combo, either by making me faster or hampering the opposing combo deck.

    I figure that I'm gonna do very well against fair decks, and I've done all I can against hate in the sideboard with things like Force of Vigor, so maybe I should think about combo, even though I don't really have sideboard space.

    I'm brainstorming a list of maindeckable, or maybe not, cards that are good against combo. We already have speed cards like Street Wraith, Phantasmagorian, and the combo finish, and disruption in Cabal Therapy. There's also stuff in the sideboard like Leylines.

    So far my list has:
    Mishra's Bauble/Urza's Bauble and Gigapede for speed/business. Maybe Creeping Chill?
    Chancellor of the Annex, Faerie Macabre, Unmask and Force of Will for disruption

    Any other cards, or other ideas on options to improve positioning?
    I've been taking Chancellor and Creeping Chill over FOW lately. It's worked out well. Preemptively disrupting the opponent's first play often leaves enough room for us to get ahead.
    DDD

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    Has anyone tested the new version of the deck with Dryad Arbor + Hogaak Main and the green package of Force of Vigor, Reverent Silence and Land Grant Side?

    Specifically, I am talking about this list from Orim67:
    https://twitter.com/LennistarHs/stat...38533415837697

    On YT there are some videos by Ewlandon and others playing the deck, definitely seems promising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecondSunrise View Post
    Has anyone tested the new version of the deck with Dryad Arbor + Hogaak Main and the green package of Force of Vigor, Reverent Silence and Land Grant Side?

    Specifically, I am talking about this list from Orim67:
    https://twitter.com/LennistarHs/stat...38533415837697

    On YT there are some videos by Ewlandon and others playing the deck, definitely seems promising.
    Sounds like we wanted to go the same plan with nature claim, silent AND fetchs

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecondSunrise View Post
    Has anyone tested the new version of the deck with Dryad Arbor + Hogaak Main and the green package of Force of Vigor, Reverent Silence and Land Grant Side?

    Specifically, I am talking about this list from Orim67:
    https://twitter.com/LennistarHs/stat...38533415837697

    On YT there are some videos by Ewlandon and others playing the deck, definitely seems promising.
    His list is kind of all over the place, I've been running Dryad Arbor instead of the combo package for awhile and liking it tho'. Reverent Silence is still too inconsistent IMO.

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