D&T or Maverick?

[Dutch253]

I'm still trying to decide what deck to play and both appeal to me. So the question is what's better and why? The downside of building these as a first deck is they don't contain a ton of format staples outside Wasteland right?


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[thecrav]

The downside of building these as a first deck is they don't contain a ton of format staples outside Wasteland right?

More specifically, some of the expensive things you'll be buying don't apply much to other decks. With D&T, you'll be buying into Ports. With Maverick, you'll be buying into a manabase that focuses on a weak(er than others) color pair.

[Dutch253]

More specifically, some of the expensive things you'll be buying don't apply much to other decks. With D&T, you'll be buying into Ports. With Maverick, you'll be buying into a manabase that focuses on a weak(er than others) color pair.

Exactly my problem! The decks aren't sooo expensive but they also don't have cards universally used like Jace, Force and Lilly. I just know that it would take me years to build a deck that plays Underground Sea etc.

[Lord Seth]

Death & Taxes has done a lot better than Maverick over the last year. I'd go with that.

[Barook]

I've played both decks, and I would say that D&T is both stronger and more fun to play.

[ironclad8690]

Pre-deathrite shaman Maverick was super fun and extremely consistent with few natural predators. Nowadays I have to say that Death and Taxes is just a more objectively powerful deck.

[lordofthepit]

I'm going to go against the grain and recommend Maverick. I get better mileage out of that deck, and the cards in that deck overlap with more of the other decks in the format you might eventually want to move into.

[Lemnear]

The Problem with Maverick is that in the days Post-DRS, the deck has not only gone full 3 color, but lost a lot of punch due to graveyard hate messing with a lot of reasons you play BG in the first place (Goyf, KotR, DRS). Both decks play Thalia + SFM anyway, so going with the deck which goes basically the same technical Route in just a single color but with additional tricks (Vial + Karakas) is preferable in the face of the current powerhouse Miracles

[Fatal]

You should answer on first spot what is your meta - more controlish/midrange or more combo overlay, D&T have some problems vs midrange decks due to lack of CA/CQ or some blanks like multiple Vials. On long game Maverick < D&T thanks to scaling threads like Knight of the Reliquary, Scavenging Ooze, or CQ like GSZ. In short games D&T > Maverick, thanks to more resource control oriented strategy.

[Quizzlemanizzle]

Exactly my problem! The decks aren't sooo expensive but they also don't have cards universally used like Jace, Force and Lilly. I just know that it would take me years to build a deck that plays Underground Sea etc.

Jace and Lilly are not universally used. They are not really different to Rishadan Port in that regard though Rishadan Port lost some usage since Goblins is right now is not a tier 1 deck anymore.

D&T is rather cheap outside of Ports and SFM and Wasteland are used in a many decks.

[Tokugawa]

Jace and Lilly are not universally used. They are not really different to Rishadan Port in that regard though Rishadan Port lost some usage since Goblins is right now is not a tier 1 deck anymore.

D&T is rather cheap outside of Ports and SFM and Wasteland are used in a many decks.

3+ Karakas is also a configulation you won't see at anywhere else.

[Barook]

You should answer on first spot what is your meta - more controlish/midrange or more combo overlay, D&T have some problems vs midrange decks due to lack of CA/CQ or some blanks like multiple Vials. On long game Maverick < D&T thanks to scaling threads like Knight of the Reliquary, Scavenging Ooze, or CQ like GSZ. In short games D&T > Maverick, thanks to more resource control oriented strategy.

Maverick does have issues with Miracles to a certain degree, while a good D&T pilot should be favored alot against them (except against really good Miracle players since those can put up a fight, but you should be still favored).

How good Maverick is against midrange builds also depends on the build - PF builds certainly have a way easier time to grind down those matches.

@Dutch253: What does your meta look like?

[Kanti]

Doesn't a protected (Sylvan Safekeeper) Gaddock Teeg just stop Miracles? Seems like a legit plan to me. And to answer your question, play the deck you like more.

[Lemnear]

Doesn't a protected (Sylvan Safekeeper) Gaddock Teeg just stop Miracles? Seems like a legit plan to me. And to answer your question, play the deck you like more.

Engineered Explosives, Councils Judgement and other cards are run between MB and SB for that stuff anyways. Not even talking about Legends Builds with Karakas.

[Fatal]

Engineered Explosives vs Protected Gaddock by Safekeeper isn't best answer unless it's played prefact. Only real answer to break the lock is Council Judgement / Karakas (doesn't break the lock, but can overload removal - lands count) - until waste.

[Benke]

By just looking at tournament results - Death and Taxes is miles ahead of Maverick. It might partly be due to less people playing Maverick, but also as a result of Miracles being a top tier deck. It is true that Gaddok Teeg+safekeeper disables the Miracles deck, but getting that combination onto the board is often easier said than done.

I am a Maverick player myself and I think the archetype is very underrepresented.

[Lemnear]

By just looking at tournament results - Death and Taxes is miles ahead of Maverick. It might partly be due to less people playing Maverick, but also as a result of Miracles being a top tier deck. It is true that Gaddok Teeg+safekeeper disables the Miracles deck, but getting that combination onto the board is often easier said than done.

I am a Maverick player myself and I think the archetype is very underrepresented.

Because running 0-1 Teeg and 0-1 Safekeeper isn't reliable in the first place. KotR + Tarmogoyf became a lot less relevant due to the printings of Delver, Batterskull, DRS, TNN and more effective yard-hate in general. Maverick is a shadow of it's own past since Tarmogoyf Wars are no longer the metagame standards

[klaus]

Because running 0-1 Teeg and 0-1 Safekeeper isn't reliable in the first place.

That's what GSZ is for..
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There's a guy on MWS called M@verick who tweaked a list that seems to be at least on par if not favored against Miracles.
It's been a while but I'll try to reconstruct it:

4 Thalia
2 Gaddock Teeg
3 Mother of Runes
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
2 Sylvan Library
4 KotR
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Weathered Wayfarer
2 SFM
1 Jitte
1 Batterskull
4 GSZ
4 STP
2 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasali Pridemage
4 Vial
39

4 Windswept Heath
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Flooded Strand
4 Savannah
1 Plains
1 Forest
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Wasteland
(21)

SB:
3 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Choke
2 Wilt-Leaf Liege
1 Bojuka Bog
2 RiP
1 Pithing Needle
3 ?

[Einherjer]

Ehm, not really. M@vericks idea was to build an Aether Vial Maverick build, not Zenith. You can find most of his lists here:
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=14813&iddeck=109735

Greetings

[Julian23]

He's also a real baller and thus far the only person to Top8 the Bazaar of Moxen with a 62 card deck.

a guy on MWS called M@verick

His name is Luis Viciano and his nickname "M@verick" is the reason the deck is called that way.