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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    Grixis plays a lot more like Treasure Cruise era UR than current era UWR or RUG. You want all your colours, and you're not on a Stifle-Waste gameplan. You're on value-town gameplan. I heard there was also a ton of Burn in the meta. Miracles/OmniTell seem like good choices in that case.

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    The Brazil list had Top because it was playing Chains of Mephistopheles.

    Jund with MB REBs and extra library manipulation gives up a lot of percentage points that it usually has against Blade and Miracles decks, I believe.
    Not running Chains just means you can split Top and Library. And Top+REB ia great with Liliana. I can't really imagine MD REB being bad against Miracles; at worst you're hitting an cantrip they're using to find a Top or an answer or set up a Miracle.

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    I'm going to make a bold statement - I think these Japanese players are way ahead of the curve on Legacy tech and deckbuilding. The Japanese flavor of Delver decks feels lean, fast, and generally superior to the midrangy crap we try to jam into our Delver decks in the US. Also these OmniTell lists are the real deal, and I think Dig makes them outclass Sneak and Show by quite a bit. I think people would benefit from taking a close look at the Japanese Legacy decks and begin thinking outside the box a bit in deckbuilding.
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    Also, the fact that people are playing Sneak over Omni in the States is beyond me.
    As per other discussions, the GP meta was hyper-aggro, Miracles, and Omni. Omni is way better when you aren't worried about a bunch of collateral damage from Delver decks maxing counterspells. SnS doesn't lean nearly as heavily on resolving Show, and has better SB diversity because you aren't fueling a wish-board. Omni is a strong vertical, tree branch approach. SnS is much simpler, but it goes much wider.

    Based on the D1 media, I would make the bold statement that the Japanese meta really doesn't like Midrange, Value-oriented strategies. At all. And 7 DnT players on D2 is amusing - I am surprised not to see a bigger showing.
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    I'm curious about the 5 "Mono Brown" that made day two. Does anyone have information on this?
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Probably MUD decks. It's pretty well off in this meta I would think.
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    Nobody wants to know what decks are meant with 'others'? Surely, I'm not the only one...
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

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    Nobody wants to know what decks are meant with 'others'? Surely, I'm not the only one...
    33 burn decks...

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

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    33 burn decks...
    32 burn decks and 1 Goblin deck (keep on the fight bro!)
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Fall to everything? The deck is way too forgiving for that.

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by (nameless one) View Post
    I'm curious about the 5 "Mono Brown" that made day two. Does anyone have information on this?
    Does anyone else think it's ironic that WotC refers to these decks as mono-brown...a decade after they ruined artifacts by making the frame silver?
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    Does anyone else think it's ironic that WotC refers to these decks as mono-brown...a decade after they ruined artifacts by making the frame silver?
    Don't worry, they'll cobble together some cryptic clan name like "kotpuskarn" for that sooner or later.

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Next time they will call it "Big Robots", don't worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Don't worry, they'll cobble together some cryptic clan name like "kotpuskarn" for that sooner or later.
    SCG will call it Bladeless Deathless Sultai-less Sultai Deathblade.

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ubernostrum View Post
    SCG will call it Bladeless Deathless Sultai-less Sultai Deathblade.
    How about "Colorless Midrange Affinity"? Just throwing some Magic-related buzzwords together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    How about "Colorless Midrange Affinity"? Just throwing some Magic-related buzzwords together.
    "Colorless" is way to sensible. They have to take things that are easy to understand like 'BUG' and replace them with previously meaningless noise like 'Sultai'.

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