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    GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...own-2015-04-18

    Day 1 is composed of almost 2,000 players.

    Day 2 is 222.

    DELVER DECKS (57)
    Temur Delver - 16
    Grixis Delver - 14
    Sultai Delver - 14
    U/R Delver - 10
    Esper Delver - 3

    OMNITELL - 39

    MIRACLES - 18

    ELVES - 16

    STONEFORGE MYSTIC DECKS (15)
    Jeskai Stoneforge - 3
    Esper Stoneblade - 12

    Merfolk - 9
    Ad Nauseam Storm - 7
    Death and Taxes - 7
    Dredge - 6
    Mono-Brown - 5
    Affinity - 5
    Reanimator - 5
    Other - 33

    Top 8 list: http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...sts-2015-04-19

    Take-away:

    1. Omni-tell completely overtakes Sneak and Show.
    2. Where did all the Shardless BUG/BUG Control go? Fail to make day 2?
    3. Legacy Affinity?
    4. Merfolk is blue, hence it's never dead dead.
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by twndomn View Post
    http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...own-2015-04-18

    Day 1 is composed of almost 2,000 players.

    Day 2 is 222.

    DELVER DECKS (57)
    Temur Delver - 16
    Grixis Delver - 14
    Sultai Delver - 14
    U/R Delver - 10
    Esper Delver - 3

    OMNITELL - 39

    MIRACLES - 18

    ELVES - 16

    STONEFORGE MYSTIC DECKS (15)
    Jeskai Stoneforge - 3
    Esper Stoneblade - 12

    Merfolk - 9
    Ad Nauseam Storm - 7
    Death and Taxes - 7
    Dredge - 6
    Mono-Brown - 5
    Affinity - 5
    Reanimator - 5
    Other - 33


    Take-away:

    1. Omni-tell completely overtakes Sneak and Show.
    2. Where did all the Shardless BUG/BUG Control go? Fail to make day 2?
    3. Legacy Affinity?
    4. Merfolk is blue, hence it's never dead dead.
    From the website: "Some players opted to go with versions with Sneak Attack and Griselbrand--a deck that was once dubbed "Sneak and Show"--while some players wanted access to another card like Omniscience and played Dream Halls. Regardless of the details, one thing is clear: let Show and Tell resolve and the game will be over in a few turns." They lumped all of the show and tell decks into the omni category.

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    From the website: "Some players opted to go with versions with Sneak Attack and Griselbrand--a deck that was once dubbed "Sneak and Show"--while some players wanted access to another card like Omniscience and played Dream Halls. Regardless of the details, one thing is clear: let Show and Tell resolve and the game will be over in a few turns." They lumped all of the show and tell decks into the omni category.
    If you watch all the feature matches on niconico, it's all Omnitell, except maybe round 1 or 2.

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    What the fuck is the Grixis Delver lists, and why are they so dominant compared to (not rug/bug) delver variants?

    Why isn't there ANY UWR Delver? That seems... unexpected.

    Grixis is just UR with tasigur and potential hand disruption from the board, to beat Omnitell, or?

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quasim0ff View Post
    What the fuck is the Grixis Delver lists, and why are they so dominant compared to (not rug/bug) delver variants?

    Why isn't there ANY UWR Delver? That seems... unexpected.
    I've literally played against more Grixis Delver than any other variant in Japan since Pyromancer was printed, even before Treasure Cruise was printed. People here just like the deck, so it might literally just be that most people are choosing the deck over RUG and BUG.

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    I'm taking all these results with a couple grains of salt. Just a different meta, like the European scene, and shouldn't be taken out of context as the state of American Legacy.

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Omnitell had already overtaked Sneakshow in MO and European lists for weeks. Only exception is SCG IQ, where it even doesn't look like a "dtb" at all.
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by snorlaxcom View Post
    I'm taking all these results with a couple grains of salt. Just a different meta, like the European scene, and shouldn't be taken out of context as the state of American Legacy.
    32/32 Brainstorms in the Top 8. Different meta, same shit.

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    32/32 Brainstorms in the Top 8. Different meta, same shit.
    You mean doomsaying about Legacy, yeah, sounds the same every time.

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by twndomn View Post
    (...)
    DELVER DECKS (57)
    Temur Delver - 16
    Grixis Delver - 14
    Sultai Delver - 14
    U/R Delver - 10
    Esper Delver - 3

    OMNITELL - 39

    MIRACLES - 18

    ELVES - 16

    STONEFORGE MYSTIC DECKS (15)
    Jeskai Stoneforge - 3
    Esper Stoneblade - 12
    Blue, right... Not that interesting, Blue is always big. Just a given fact: when you go to a big event, always remember to have some U-based hate in your 75.

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    Merfolk - 9
    Ad Nauseam Storm - 7
    Death and Taxes - 7
    Dredge - 6
    Mono-Brown - 5
    Affinity - 5
    Reanimator - 5
    Other - 33
    Now this indeed is interesting! The non-blue decks in particular... Shame I can't find some additional information: what does 'Other - 33' mean? Which decks are meant with 'Other'??
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    That Omni-tell mirror Top 8 match between YASOOKA and HARANE, mind blown~!

    http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...ane-2015-04-19

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    Quote Originally Posted by twndomn View Post
    That Omni-tell mirror Top 8 match between YASOOKA and HARANE, mind blown~!

    http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...ane-2015-04-19
    Decks seem way more magicky and really less dumb to me than flip Delver land goyf.decs
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    There was a copy of rain of filth in the top 8 so clearly it needs a look next B&R announcement ;)

    Oh no blue decks with brainstorm whatever will we do. It's like complaining about every fair white deck in existence running 4 swords to plowshares in the 75 same with lightning bolt. Lightning bolt has brainstorm like numbers in modern/banhammer the format and it hasn't been banned there so asking for brainstorm to be banned in legacy doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Welcome to Asia, yea, we play a bit different over here.

    Also, Sucks to be a Lands player at that event... Shit.
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Ritual View Post
    Oh no blue decks with brainstorm whatever will we do. It's like complaining about every fair white deck in existence running 4 swords to plowshares in the 75 same with lightning bolt. Lightning bolt has brainstorm like numbers in modern/banhammer the format and it hasn't been banned there so asking for brainstorm to be banned in legacy doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
    Is that the new argument? Pulling fantasy numbers out of the place where the sun never shines? Get your facts straight:

    - Bolt is run by ~40% of Paper decks and less than 50% of MODO decks in Modern
    - Brainstorm is run by ~70% of Paper decks and ~75% of MODO decks in Legacy.

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    Please take it to the ban thread. We don't need this shit everyfuckingwhere else guys. Some of us really do just want to talk about the event.
    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Some of those variants are really interesting, like 4 Wastelands and Stifle in Stoneblade, Mentor Miracles with Daze.

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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Does someone have a link to not only T8 decklists (those are easy to come by; click here), but maybe even T30 or even T100?
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    Does anybody have the deck list of YOUSUKE MORINAGA? Mentor without white mana seams to be incorrect!
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    Re: GP Kyoto Day 2 Meta breakdown, the future of Legacy?

    I thought the presence of Monastery Mentor was interesting. Before this event it hadn't made that large of splash.

    OmniTell hasn't put up many results in the States. Since OmniTell was crushing this event, maybe that will change.

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