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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    Quote Originally Posted by Zooligan View Post
    After reading thru the primer and part of the previous thread, I'm going to build this what-appears-to-be-a-basic BUg list with 61 cards (is that normal??).

    2 Swamp
    1 Island
    2 Underground Sea
    2 Bayou
    4 Polluted Delta
    4 Verdant Catacombs

    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Lotus Petal
    1 Chrome Mox

    3 Necrotic Ooze
    1 Triskelion
    1 Phyrexian Devourer
    1 Putrid Imp
    1 Griselbrand

    4 Shallow Grave
    2 Reanimate
    1 Exhume
    4 Entomb
    3 Buried Alive

    4 Gitaxian Probe
    4 Cabal Therapy

    4 Brainstorm
    4 Ponder

    I saw some discussion re:GitProbe/Therapy vs. Thoughtseize/Therapy. What was the consensus? I never could find a resolution. Or is it still an ongoing debate? Also wondering if Collective Brutality and/or Unmask which see play in BR Reanimator have any place in the deck.

    Not sure what to use as a SB with the meta in flux... ideas?

    EDIT: I built this on MTGO and ran a few games. I'm so obviously a noob at the deck!! LOL
    Drop the Exhume and go to 60 cards. It's fringe, but it might enable something BR Reanimator wants to do. Two Reanimate is enough where, funnily enough, casting your Necrotic Ooze from hand is usually a very powerful play. I'll regularly Ritual out an Ooze G1 blind if I have either Entomb, Buried Alive, or cantrips in hand.

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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    Quote Originally Posted by pandaman View Post
    Drop the Exhume and go to 60 cards. It's fringe, but it might enable something BR Reanimator wants to do. Two Reanimate is enough where, funnily enough, casting your Necrotic Ooze from hand is usually a very powerful play. I'll regularly Ritual out an Ooze G1 blind if I have either Entomb, Buried Alive, or cantrips in hand.

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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    Although I don't usually run it out if you're on the draw and see a red/white mana or red/white/black fetchland, because that might mean Bolt/Swords. If you've seen Probe, though, it's probably Grixis or combo so go for it.
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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    Quote Originally Posted by pandaman View Post
    Drop the Exhume and go to 60 cards. It's fringe, but it might enable something BR Reanimator wants to do. Two Reanimate is enough where, funnily enough, casting your Necrotic Ooze from hand is usually a very powerful play. I'll regularly Ritual out an Ooze G1 blind if I have either Entomb, Buried Alive, or cantrips in hand.
    Interesting. This is definitely a gear-switch from Reanimator/TinFins playstyle. Need to wrap my head around it all.

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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    A T1 Ooze with Entomb in hand is a T2 win if not blocked.

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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    Any concise rules-of-thumb regarding mulligans I should be aware of?

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    Keep hands with combo or one piece of combo plus U manipulation (i.e. Brainstorm or Ponder) or mulligan. When you start getting to five you can start keeping hands with only one piece of the combo or no pieces but U manipulation.
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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    Right on. Thanks!

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    3 Abrupt Decay
    3 Ground Seal
    2 Exhume
    2 Massacre
    2 Reverent Silence
    1 Duress
    2 Thoughtseize

    This was my sideboard before.

    @panda, no more Massacre? I'm guessing that DnT is still not out of the picture, and can annoy us pretty good.

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    New list and report :

    1 Phyrexian Devourer
    1 Triskelion
    2 Griselbrand
    3 Necrotic Ooze

    4 Brainstorm
    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Entomb
    4 Shallow Grave

    4 Gitaxian Probe
    2 Reanimate
    2 Exhume
    3 Buried Alive
    3 Cabal Therapy
    2 Unmask
    2 Collective Brutality
    4 Lotus Petal

    1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    2 Island
    1 Misty Rainforest
    2 Swamp
    2 Underground Sea
    3 Verdant Catacombs
    4 Polluted Delta

    SB
    3 Echoing Truth
    1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
    1 massacre
    2 pitting needle
    1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
    2 Apprentice Necromancer
    1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
    2 Extirpate
    2 Swan song

    I played yesterday a local tournament , 3 rounds .

    R1 Ad nauseam
    G1 Gitaxian + cabal + unmask destroy his hand . T3 griselbrand and hit 3 times and mooore discard .
    G2 T1 unmask ,t2 iona to black gg .

    R2 UR Control
    First game i lost to fow, fow , spell snare and caster to snare.
    G2 was so long, discard+counter war.Boseiju helps, but he play blood moon. Finally i can reanimate griselbrand and win in 3 hits .
    Last game have 5 minutes of time. I play very fast, and i can win with necrotic combo .

    R3 Team America
    G1 dark ritual to CB for kill deathrite and discard 1 fow . T3 reanimate to griselbrand and win .
    G2 similar, a lot of discard. pitting needle to deathrite and he couldn't ramp .I can reanimate griselbrand and swing .He played liliana and i sac griselbrand, but shallow grave in eot and griselbrand finish the game .

    This is my new list, i dont need more the green, i prefer uB and play Echoing Truth and pitting needle .

    GOGOGO OOZERS !

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    Pin, so you've done away with the cantrips like BR Reanimator did. Did you miss Brainstorms and Ponders?

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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    Quote Originally Posted by pandaman View Post
    Pin, so you've done away with the cantrips like BR Reanimator did. Did you miss Brainstorms and Ponders?

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    Im playing brainstorms and gitaxian probe !

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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    Sorry mate, I totally missed that. Must have posted before I had my morning coffee...

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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=25116&iddeck=197129


    New top for me, and lost the final in our local league with 20 players. I Will post a report.

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    Has anybody thought to try this deck as mono B with the Lake of the Dead / Grave Titan plan spliced into it?
    You still keep the explosiveness with maximum copies of Petal/Ritual/Entomb etc, and then rather than trying to set up the combo with BS as a plan B you have the option of casting/reanimating Titan. The hardcast-ooze plan also improves with a more resilient manabase.

    One problem with this idea is that unlike Reanimator/Depths, Ooze wants Shallow Grave over other reanimate spells for the 1-turn combo with Griselbrand, and Shallow Grave is not as good with Titan compared to Reanimate, Animate Dead, or Exhume. (1 attack with a 6/6 and making 4 Zombies is still nothing to sneeze at I guess). Maybe playing additional creatures can also mess up your graveyard order for Shallow Graves where you want to return something else.

    Anyway, I look forward to the report. I'm curious as to exactly how you used that sideboard.

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    Interested how you board with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xod View Post
    Interested how you board with this.
    I made 2 top, the first, with Delver sb, and Last sunday with another sb.

    With this one, muchas sb plan was :
    -2 exhume
    -2 griselbrand
    -1 Entomb
    -1 trisquelion
    -3 buried alive
    -2 reanimate
    -4 shallow grave

    +15 sb cards

    I Will report the Last sunday tournament.

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    @DNSolver play my list with White sb :

    http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=25287&iddeck=198506

    4 mentor for plan b.

    Congratzzzz

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    I finished at 4-3 in the challenge which wasn't very great but somehow almost got top 16...

    The mentor plan was stupidly good. Play it. Even when they know it's coming, it's hard to play against. It also helps a ton in the chalice / leyline matchups. I beat Red stompy and 4c Loam (butakov) with the Mentor plan both post-board games.

    Immediately after the challenge, I cut 3 Buried Alive and a Collective Brutality for 4 Ponder. Buried Alive was terrible except for 1 time when I had 5 mana turn 1 for buried alive plus reanimation spell, and Ponder plays better with the Mentor plan.

    I also played the deck a bit on stream on Monday. A highlight included: on the draw vs D+T, entomb Triskelion in response to Thalia, then Reanimate it, then in response to Swords shoot Mom, Thalia, and Triskelion, then Reanimate it again. That was DISGUSTING and I eventually won that game. Not a game that TinFins could win realistically, as Thalia is super annoying G1. Post-board I ended up winning with Mentor.

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    Re: [PRIMER] Oozing

    Quote Originally Posted by DNSolver View Post
    I finished at 4-3 in the challenge which wasn't very great but somehow almost got top 16...

    The mentor plan was stupidly good. Play it. Even when they know it's coming, it's hard to play against. It also helps a ton in the chalice / leyline matchups. I beat Red stompy and 4c Loam (butakov) with the Mentor plan both post-board games.

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    I Will try the mentor sb. I like man plan sb surprise.

    Do you like oozing?

    I played yesterday a local tournament , 3 rounds .

    R1 eldrazi
    G1 I exhume t3 griselbrand de and was easy win.
    G2 he played tomb + mimic. In my Turn collective brutality, kill the eldrazi and discard a counter. T3 another time griselbrand enters and win.

    R2 food chain.
    G1 plays relic ( main Deck) but didnt find more lands, easy necrotic ooze kills.
    G2 relic, fluster, shaman, fow and Cage... I cant win.
    G3 I killed shaman, play boseiju and countered Cage with Swan song. Another kill with necrotic ooze.

    R3 d&t
    G1 t1 griselbrand, T2 kill
    G2 I mull to 5 and 2 wastelands destroy me.
    G3 brainstorm locked and more wastelands and thalia finish me...

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