About Todd Anderson's SCG Worcester Legacy Crash Course

[twndomn]

The article is premium about Legacy, which is rare on SCG site. Most of time it's KOTTER trying to generate some buzz about the format.
http://www.starcitygames.com/article...sh-Course.html

I only have one complaint about the article. Seriously, Todd, you were at GP NJ, so were BBD, so were Schonegger, so were Lossett. Actually, BBD was on WUR Blade at the time and won it all. You could at least mention Schonegger's name with regards to the Ponder Miracles. Accredit that build to BBD without some kind of citations to another articles contributor for the same site, it doesn't settle well with me.

[sdematt]

Todd's scum. Admits Abzan is real to sell more staples and Junk isnt a real name. No comment.

[Lemnear]

The article is premium about Legacy, which is rare on SCG site. Most of time it's KOTTER trying to generate some buzz about the format.
http://www.starcitygames.com/article...sh-Course.html

I only have one complaint about the article. Seriously, Todd, you were at GP NJ, so were BBD, so were Schonegger, so were Lossett. Actually, BBD was on WUR Blade at the time and won it all. You could at least mention Schonegger's name with regards to the Ponder Miracles. Accredit that build to BBD without some kind of citations to another articles contributor for the same site, it doesn't settle well with me.

The SCG Mini-verse: "All decks ever are created and popularized by SCG Writers and Grinders"

The problem: People believe that bullshit and some loud-mouthed guys with a platform get credit for work other did. Here, Philip was basically BBDs Wozniak

[Dice_Box]

Put something behind a paywall on that site and I just don't care. No one there writes anything I am interested in playing for. I would rather pay to keep this site going. The information to noise ratio is far greater here if you don't spend too much time on the B/R thread.

[Undomian]

Crediting 4 Ponder Miracles to BBD instead of Schonegger is kind of a douche move.

[Julian23]

From my reply on their website:

I know that this might be targeted towards American audiences, but even in the US, the one person that's known for developing and popularizing 4 Ponder Miracles is Philipp Schönegger. If you wanna go even further back, you have Levy in Strasbourg, who has been less outspoken about it. No offense to BBD, but in a community that is pretty big about name-dropping etc, this looks like a pretty big misattribution.

Also, when you talk Shardless BUG, you talk Jean-Mary Accart. His list has been Top8'ing pretty much every somewhat major European Legacy event in the past 6 months. Really makes me want to go ahead and start/finish an "From the European PoV" article :)

[Lejay]

I don't think quoting BBD's list as an exemple is a douche move, it's just logical that SCG grinders support each other in their articles. It would have been quite bad to give him credit for the idea of running 4 ponders but that is not what is being said, or my english became rather poor.
Besides if Philipp did popularized a lot 4 ponders in miracles, he clearly wasn't the first one to do that. Raphael Levy went top16 in Strasbourg in 2013 with them and others had success in tournaments before with the playset.
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=11121

EDIT : lol thank you Julian, but I am perfectly fine with people from SCG saying meddling mage is very bad and never quoting my name. The less the decklist without discard and my name are known and the less meddling mages are expected, the better it is for me or Tristan in actual tournaments.

[Einherjer]

Besides if Philipp did popularized a lot 4 ponders in miracles, he clearly wasn't the first one to do that. Raphael Levy went top16 in Strasbourg in 2013 with them and others had success in tournaments before with the playset.

Never said I was the first. Nobody did.

Greetings

[Lejay]

Never said I was the first. Nobody did.

Greetings

Of course, I remember you mentioning Levy in your articles. But it has been implied several times on this forum and even in this thread.

[alphastryk]

If you really want to trace the '4-Ponder' miracles history, it goes all the way back to Carsten Kotter's Caw Cartel deck, which became Caw Terminator. Here's the earliest success I can remember for the 'miracles' version - Shawn French's success after cutting Squadron Hawk in SCG Orlando back in 2012. I know my memory is biased though since that list is a derivative of what I was working on at the time.

Looking back, That list is really awkward but it's the earliest thing I can find that resembled current Miracles.

[Lemnear]

It's not about IF Phil was the first to pickup or popularize Ponder-Miracles, but about BBD credited despite having nothing to do with the decks development and popularization

[iamajellydonut]

So, I may be a bit ignorant in this matter considering that I find Miracles irritable to play with and because all of my vouchers for premium time have gone towards new coasters, but just to be clear, we are trying to attribute the usage of one of the most basic building blocks, a card that has been considered relatively "fundamental" since its creation, to a single person, and we are outraged because Todd Anderson picked wrong?

[Ace/Homebrew]

We are outraged because Todd Anderson picked wrong?

No, stupid! It's about ethics in Magic journalism.
#pondergate #mtgbullies

[twndomn]

So, I may be a bit ignorant in this matter considering that I find Miracles irritable to play with and because all of my vouchers for premium time have gone towards new coasters, but just to be clear, we are trying to attribute the usage of one of the most basic building blocks, a card that has been considered relatively "fundamental" since its creation, to a single person, and we are outraged because Todd Anderson picked wrong?

No, it's this:

It's not about IF Phil was the first to pickup or popularize Ponder-Miracles, but about BBD credited despite having nothing to do with the decks development and popularization

[Richard Cheese]

So, I may be a bit ignorant in this matter considering that I find Miracles irritable to play with and because all of my vouchers for premium time have gone towards new coasters, but just to be clear, we are trying to attribute the usage of one of the most basic building blocks, a card that has been considered relatively "fundamental" since its creation, to a single person, and we are outraged because Todd Anderson picked wrong?

I think it's just because Todd Anderson is a dumpy little shit that everyone has wanted to punch in the face since he wrote that ridiculous article whinging about how unsupportive his wife was being about his professional Magic aspirations.

[H]

I think it's just because Todd Anderson is a dumpy little shit that everyone has wanted to punch in the face since he wrote that ridiculous article whinging about how unsupportive his wife was being about his professional Magic aspirations.

Haha, can I read this article or is it another shitty premium one?

[Patrunkenphat7]

Haha, can I read this article or is it another shitty premium one?

I would also like a link to this article please.

[Esper3k]

It's this one:

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/m...Pro_Magic.html

The Google search that let me find this one again was depressing, to say the least.

[iamajellydonut]

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/m...Pro_Magic.html

That was the biggest shit stain of an article I have ever read.

[Barook]

It's this one:

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/m...Pro_Magic.html

The Google search that let me find this one again was depressing, to say the least.

I'm more surprised he had a girlfriend, let alone a wife.

I can't read through that article. That seems like blog tier shit.