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    Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    So let's assume that you play in a metagame infested with Omnitell. As in, the majority of players are playing the deck due to its success in tournaments recently.

    Let's say you're playing a white deck, possibly Death n Taxes but any white deck would do. What's the best hate in either white, or colorless, to combat Omnitell? My inclination is simply to play 4 Banishing Lights in the sideboard if I really want to beat it, but is this even the most effective option? They can Cunning Wish in response to the trigger, or they can Dig in response to the trigger. Is this the best option remaining for fighting this deck (alongside maindeck Thalias, of course)? Is there something else I'm missing that I can play if I just *really* want to beat this deck and don't care about torpedoing my sideboard for other matchups?

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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    The single best hate card vs OmniTell is Ethersworn Canonist. It doesn't win the game on the spot, but it makes all your other "hate" actually useful and allows you to still play a game post-Show and Tell.
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    The single best hate card vs OmniTell is Ethersworn Canonist. It doesn't win the game on the spot, but it makes all your other "hate" actually useful and allows you to still play a game post-Show and Tell.
    Fair enough, and its useful vs. Storm and Elves as well. But this just buys you another turn... If you have to pass the turn with only this guy, then you probably still lose.

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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    No offense, but you should play a couple of games with the guy before arriving at such a preemptive conclusion. And by that I mean like 10-20 at least, which should all by itself take a couple of days.

    You're not playing the game to "lock" OmniTell "out" with hate. That is a terrible approach as any combo deck eventually has inevitability. You're just playing to prolong the game long enough to win. With Canonist, suddenly all your Enchantment removal suddenly starts mattering, so does your additional attack step. You can often even beat an Emrakul swing if the game already went long enough and you have enough permanents. On top of that you're assessment of "probably still loose" once you have to pass the turn is incorrect. What are they supposed to do? The dream scenario involves Dig Through Time into Emrakul on your turn. OmniTell however only plays 2 Emrakul and as I mentioned above, there's even a chance you're still beating that; especially once Vial and Flickerwisp become involved.
    Ethersworn Canonist suddenly gives you so much play where there previously was none.
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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    Iona. Seriously, you just keep it in your hand and most of them just can't go off without using SnT.

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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    Trinisphere is brutal vs. Omnitell, although in the context of white Canonist might just be better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esper3k View Post
    Iona. Seriously, you just keep it in your hand and most of them just can't go off without using SnT.
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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    Omni has a variety of answers to deal with everything.

    Iona is probably the strongest to stop it. That 1 of Slaughter Pact isn't going to make a huge difference when Omni player can't find it.

    Reanimator has a 80% win rate against Omni...just an FYI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esper3k View Post
    Iona. Seriously, you just keep it in your hand and most of them just can't go off without using SnT.
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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    ashen rider
    pretty narrow but it does the job against snt very well
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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    The beauty of OmniTell is that it has pretty big game vs Ashen Rider and friends; unlike Sneak Show.

    Also, if you wanna go for a dedicated hate slot, Iona is superior in almost every way. Not that I recommend dedicated hate slots in the first place.
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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Humphrey View Post
    ashen rider
    pretty narrow but it does the job against snt very well
    Omni laughs in the face of ashen rider.

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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

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    Omni laughs in the face of ashen rider.
    it doesnt make your spells instants...
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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Humphrey View Post
    it doesnt make your spells instants...
    What he's trying to say is that Omnitell (as opposed to Sneaky Show) is pretty good at killing their opponent with an ETB trigger on the stack (say O-Ring, Ashen Rider, etc) since most of its business spells are Instants.

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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Humphrey View Post
    it doesnt make your spells instants...
    All its spells that matter, besides Emrakul, are already instants. Stuff like Oring, Ashen Rider, Venser, etc are not enough vs the latest iterations of omnitell.

    Meddling mage is a good card against them (naming wish or S&T depending on the exact game state).

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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    "Playing reanimator"

    Well, that is not A card…creature-based hate work best against Omnitell. Pikula/canonist/Thalia are good, multiple on the battlefield are better.
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    Re: Best hate vs. Omnitell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tokugawa View Post
    "Playing reanimator"

    Well, that is not A card…creature-based hate work best against Omnitell. Pikula/canonist/Thalia are good, multiple on the battlefield are better.
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