I thought I would share something interesting that happened to me in a Daily Event today.
I am playing the mirror match, and I easily win game 1. I do not usually board in Cabal Therapy in this matchup. My opponent does bring em in, and he completely shreds me to bits in games 2 and 3. Now, he did draw pretty well, but do you guys generally bring in Cabal Therapy in the mirror match?
I messaged him about it after the match and he said he was new to the deck and it seemed good, so I dunno.
Actually we want to bring in some copies of Cabal Therapy against Combo & Control right?
Let's say we are playing against Storm, SnT, Elves as Combo and Miracles, Stoneblade as Control - what do you take out? (with Bob Huangs basic list)
Or do we also bring them in against some Aggro Decks?
I board my Therapies in all the time (at least going up to 2 on the play postboard, and almost always up to 4 on the draw) and I'm maindecking one. They're great in the mirror. Really, it's hard to find a matchup other than Lands where they're bad.
They're so good in conjunction with Probe and Pyromancer that it's hard to find a matchup they're bad in. I board them in almost all the time once I know what my opponent is on. If you're in a live setting and have time to scout, you could make a better case for playing them main, but online it's definitely harder (if not impossible) to put your opponent on a specific deck in the first turn.
I main them in Grixis Control, where we have more time to wait for the right moment, but in Tempo I think we want every single card we draw early to matter. Any mana we don't spend is a waste and sitting on a Therapy with no reasonable expectation of what to call blind is a loss of tempo.
I really don't know what the best cards to take out are. I usually take out some number of FOWs unless I'm against hard combo, and I play a Stifle build, so they come out sometimes too. Then Bolts, maybe a Probe or DRS, depending on the matchup. I need to remember Wasteland can be boarded out too.
Cool, thanks for the tips. I find that too often I treat Cabal Therapy like Thoughtseize, but it is a different beast altogether.
It's a very difficult card to play with. It almost needs it's own primer/thread to talk about it. The card only becomes more powerful with meta knowledge.Originally Posted by ironclad8690
What's the best to name blind in the mirror? I guess you name Pyromancer on the draw, and delver on the play?
Last edited by Jaytron; 09-24-2015 at 03:36 PM.
hello guys. had some strange games against pox yesterday. seems I don't have enough counter to stop the hate :( ..
what do u think abt the match up in general, any suggestions/tips how to handle?
You should have a decent game against pox because they can't really afford to play around your Dazes. Save FOW for their haymaker spells like Smallpox. Young Pyromancer is MVP because most of the Pox removal only kills 1 creature at a time and usually you are the one who gets to pick which creature is sacrificed. Postboard you will likely want to board out bolts and bring in some cabal therapy as well as surgical extraction because they usually have some sort of recursion engine. Pithing needle shuts off Liliana as well as Cursed Scroll.
I boarded + 2x smash to smitherness and + 2x needle, - 4 bolts.
I play 2x cabal therapy main.
maybe I didn't play smart but I have the feeling that I have to counter hymn, toxic deluge and small pox.
basically 10-12 cards against 10 counters plus 2x cabal.
I will definetely try surgical seems a pretty decent card against them. thanks.
did anyone of you try to replace black by white and add monastery mentor?
3x daze
4x force
2x spell pierce
1x counterspell
4x brainstorm
4x bolt
3x swords to plow
4x ponder
2x dtt
4x gitaxian probe
4x pyromancer
3x monastery mentor
4x delver
18x lands
This would be a different deck. http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...eck-UWR-Delver
why? uwr delver is a different deck in my opinion. they play stoneforge mystic / batterskull etc and don't play monastery mentor.
It is uwr and it plays a delver tempo game. I can't see how it is anything else other than uwr delver. Swapping the white threat doesn't make it a new deck. Regardless, a grixis thread is not the right place for that list.
well, apologize if it does not fit and the idea is completely unfounded to be discussed.
I checked the forum and just found a modern thread. that is why I posted same here.
Well, now that Dig Through Time is banned, I don't know if this deck is good enough anymore. Anyone have any ideas for a new list?
EDIT: I did a little research and it looks like pre-khans decklists looked like this:
Grixis Delver - Will Cruise SCG Invi (featured in this video, and crushing Reid Duke)
1 Snapcaster Mage
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Stifle
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Wasteland
Sideboard:
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Seal of Primordium
1 Threads of Disloyalty
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Vendilion Clique
4 Cabal Therapy
I bet we can work Angler in here because he is still quite strong and go down to 18 lands. I think it might need a little more removal though. Some lists were playing Fire Covenant & Fire/Ice before, but I am not sure if those are better than Murderous Cut.
See ya guys later.
is this deck dead? I was just starting pimpin it out :(
I wouldn't trust Kobe on anything. But it doesn't look good, I'm afraid.
So you do trust what i'm saying.
awesome second game. the therapies..
concerning removal, why not playing terminate?
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