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    [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Hey guys,

    I sat down with Niklas Kronberger and Christoph Alsheimer to tackle the new kid on the block, Punishing Blue!

    Let me know what you think, I'd also appreciate it if you left the comment at the article itself so other readers can potentially benefit from your comments/questions and my responses.

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    Re: [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Not a fan of the attempt at renaming the archetype. Everybody knows what Aggro Loam is and "Punishing X" seems fairly established as "Punishing Fire + X" so 'Punishing Blue' sounds like a control deck with PFire and Islands.

    It's more Aggro than the other notable Loam deck, I feel that's a sufficient distinction.

    Apart from that I thought the rest was good, but somebody really needs to have a word with your editor because there's zero reason why the main body of a web article should be in 24pt font.

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    Re: [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by kombatkiwi View Post
    Apart from that I thought the rest was good, but somebody really needs to have a word with your editor because there's zero reason why the main body of a web article should be in 24pt font.
    Thanks. :)

    Please comment on the article itself, letting the editor know. If there are more people doing just that it might get him to change. Thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kombatkiwi View Post
    Not a fan of the attempt at renaming the archetype. Everybody knows what Aggro Loam is and "Punishing X" seems fairly established as "Punishing Fire + X" so 'Punishing Blue' sounds like a control deck with PFire and Islands.
    This x 10000000000. I was really disappointed when I found out what the article was about

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    Thanks for writing, enjoyed the read (again).

    I'm not entirely sold on the deckname 'Punishing blue' though . It makes me think of Painter, Sylvan Plug, decks running maindeck hate like chokes or REBs, being geared to literally punish blue. The only 'blue hatred' this 4c loamdeck packs maindeck are the chalices, and although brainstorm and ponder are blue, there are loads of other nonblue- 1cc staplecards (it's rather 'Punishing One' ).

    Anyways, just nitpicking, really glad some nonblue decks are performing well these days!

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    Re: [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ingo View Post
    Thanks for writing, enjoyed the read (again).

    Anyways, just nitpicking, really glad some nonblue decks are performing well these days!

    Thank you very much, Sir!

    I'm also really glad that we have another non-blue deck competing in this format. :)

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    I liked the shout out to all the non-blue mages. I already picked this deck up and am loving it! If only more people would try out something different than Brainstorm-Ponder...

    Maybe the name should be something like 4C Control, Knight Control, Punishing Control? The deck is full-blown control rather than aggro and Loam is not realy the centerpiece anymore (like it used to be with even Burning wishes maindeck).

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    Re: [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Nice in-depth look at this deck. 4-color Loam, Aggro Loam, Punishing Blue - in Danish we have a saying which translates into "an endeared child has many names". I don't really care too much about deck naming tbh.

    As a storm player at heart I hope this deck doesn't gain any real traction, but it definitely feels a lot better than what is currently reflected by how few people play this compared to other archetypes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nielsie View Post
    Maybe the name should be something like 4C Control, Knight Control, Punishing Control? The deck is full-blown control rather than aggro and Loam is not realy the centerpiece anymore (like it used to be with even Burning wishes maindeck).
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    Re: [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Aggro Loam has come a long way from it's beginnings where it looked like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nielsie View Post
    I liked the shout out to all the non-blue mages. I already picked this deck up and am loving it! If only more people would try out something different than Brainstorm-Ponder...

    Maybe the name should be something like 4C Control, Knight Control, Punishing Control? The deck is full-blown control rather than aggro and Loam is not realy the centerpiece anymore (like it used to be with even Burning wishes maindeck).
    i doubt pure aggro exists in legacy

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    The best part of these new Loam decks? People speak of engine decks where the whole deck is an engine. These things? Yeah, the cards interact with each other to achieve greatness and be more than the sum of their parts. But if you look at the deck, just about every card in the deck is an engine in itself, which is just lovely. It's an engine of engines.
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    I thought this was a URx punishing Fire deck from the name.

    What's wrong with 4c Loam since uh that's exactly what it is.
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    Re: [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Good article, although I will admit I thought I was about to read about Miracles with Punishing Fire after seeing the title .
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    Re: [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Nice read =)! Would be great if you could keep the articles comming for more weeks to come

    But the name 'Punishing Blue' made me think of a 'golddigger' type of deck I played a while ago, with 3 grove and 3 punishing fire ^^ (which worked pretty well btw, but is sooooo slow). But yeah, a new name does make a lot of sense (all though I like the long history within the name 'Aggro Loam').

    And why is everyone suddenly ignoring Elves as a non-blue competator and only speaking of Lands and now Aggro Loam? I know the meta is quite hostile atm, but it's still making plenty of more then decent results!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lans89 View Post
    And why is everyone suddenly ignoring Elves as a non-blue competator and only speaking of Lands and now Aggro Loam? I know the meta is quite hostile atm, but it's still making plenty of more then decent results!
    And D&T is still a nonblue deck-to-beat too

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    Re: [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lans89 View Post

    And why is everyone suddenly ignoring Elves as a non-blue competator and only speaking of Lands and now Aggro Loam? I know the meta is quite hostile atm, but it's still making plenty of more then decent results!
    Because Elves is legitimately awful in a metagame dominated by Miracles and Omitell (with a nice helping of Storm on the side). Even great Elves players like Julian have switched to other decks. DnT is also not super well placed right now - both of those decks thrive in fair metas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral_Arzar View Post
    Because Elves is legitimately awful in a metagame dominated by Miracles and Omitell (with a nice helping of Storm on the side). Even great Elves players like Julian have switched to other decks. DnT is also not super well placed right now - both of those decks thrive in fair metas.
    You could say the same about Lands, as Miracles nor Omni nor Storm are good matchups too, and it thrives in fair meta's as well.

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    Re: [Legacy Lessons] The Rise Of Punishing Blue

    Names fine, it hardly feels like a Loam deck, just a deck that plays loam because it's great against fair blue strategies not named Counterbalance, that and if I were to say the name is bad, it would only be reasonable I suggest one and all the ones I can think of are really lame or just pornographic enough to be unacceptable
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