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[Crimhead]

http://tcdecks.net/formato.php?format=Legacy

Quick link to events with more than 100 players: (Only showing the top deck as to only get one listing per event.)
http://tcdecks.net/busqueda.php?toke...ide=&strict=on

Very good, thank you! I'll fold that data in (looks like three more events). I might be too busy today.

Do you think 100+ players is a good arbitrary cut off?

I'm currently on my phone and don't have proper internet before tomorrow, so I can't look it up, but don't grinders also get byes for side events like IQs if they have enough points? That would further warp the results, especially in low round events.

Posted by SCG 11/21/14:
http://www.starcitygames.com/article...ouncement.html

7. The Return of Byes

Seattle will be the last Invitational in which Invitational competitors are able to receive byes. Now that the Open Series will be feature a two-day main event, the ability to earn byes will be shifting from the Invitational to the Open Series.

This is what I found googling. I suppose they may have changed it since.
Eight of the nine events I listed were IQs and only one was an Open.

No events yeild perfect data! Factors such as:

• Pilot skill
• Short term luck (in pairings and while playing)
• Unequal representation of each archetype
• Possibly byes?

All prevent these tournaments from being a perfect reflection of each archetype's positioning in the current meta. Not much we can do about this besides taking tournament data with a grain of salt (or ignoring it altogether, I guess).

[Dice_Box]

100 was just a nice round number to put into a search bar. If I was going to come up with a true cut off I would look at anything with 7 or more rounds. I think at that point you cut the chaff well enough out of the picture as to have something akin to viable stat's.

I would also look at the top 16. Once you hit that large an event that the cut off for top 8 is normally fractions of a percent to only a few percent. Wider look is also more valuable.

Edit:
129 players nets you 8 rounds where only 65 is needed for 7. I think I would make my cut off 129.

Edit ii.
50 is low if your counting a top 16.

[Lemnear]

100 was just a nice round number to put into a search bar. If I was going to come up with a true cut off I would look at anything with 7 or more rounds. I think at that point you cut the chaff well enough out of the picture as to have something akin to viable stat's.

I would also look at the top 16. Once you hit that large an event that the cut off for top 8 is normally fractions of a percent to only a few percent. Wider look is also more valuable.

I agree. Top 8 fits usually a lot of players out simply via OPP scores. Sidenote: I'd take 50+ players tournaments into account as these qualify as "mayors" on MTGTop8 and similar websites and you get more entries especially from Europe where the MKM series is still new.

[FTW]

if 75% of matchups are against heavy blue decks, then main decking 8 blasts + 4 chokes will win you 75% of the games (12 blasts if you also want to run burnout). That means going 3-1 by purely running a hate deck.

White has Spirit of the Labyrinth, Black can LOL with Chains of Mephistopheles. People should run more hate. Imperial Painter seems good. Beast Stompy seems good (Chalice @ 1, 3sphere, maindeck Choke, fatties)

[HdH_Cthulhu]

White has Spirit of the Labyrinth, Black can LOL with Chains of Mephistopheles. People should run more hate. Imperial Painter seems good. Beast Stompy seems good (Chalice @ 1, 3sphere, maindeck Choke, fatties)

You just dont autowin vs delver with ANY deck. Lets say you build the ANTIBLUE.deck and it will be a 65 - 35 MU. Pretty good but not an autowin!

[jrsthethird]

White has Spirit of the Labyrinth, Black can LOL with Chains of Mephistopheles. People should run more hate. Imperial Painter seems good. Beast Stompy seems good (Chalice @ 1, 3sphere, maindeck Choke, fatties)

You heard it here folks! Grab those Chains of Mephistophles while they're still "cheap"! Black LOLhate.dec is the new hot thing.

[Darkenslight]

I'm not doubting the number of events, but I have a problem with throwing all kinds of different events into a blender without knowing attendance or round numbers. Those events should be linked to clarify said information, especially which deck did well in which tournament in correlation with the round number. Even the DTB has a point system where Top 8s with more rounds are "worth more".

That's fair - the IQs are normally 9-round affairs, and the Opens are 15-round affairs.

[evanmartyr]

How else would I define it? In practice every deck on this list runs cantrips except Dredge, Merfolk, and the decks without any blue cards at all.

I wouldn't count decks that run 4x Brainstorm and nothing else as cantrip decks. I meant, where was the cutoff: 4 cantrips? 5? 8?

I'm just curious, because if 71% of the decks are based around an actual shell of cantrips, not just jamming four of the best card in the format in, then that seems to be indicative of either a pretty effective strategic line (namely, Chalice of the Void and friends) to take, or a severely warped meta, or both.