Link: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/31833_.html
Main points
* Reducing number of events
* All but eliminating West Coast events
* PIQs (the two big side events) downgraded to "Classics"
* All side events pay out in prize wall tickets now pay out in prize wall tickets (and the conversion doesn't look good)
* Artists at all Open weekends
* Additional Vendors at all open weekends
* Winning an invitational qualifies you for the PT, including travel expenses.
* Legacy is removed from the invitationals
edit: missed some bullet points
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
So they cut Legacy for the Invitationals, and removed cash prizes the Sunday Legacy IQs? I suppose the only way they could have made this shittier would have been to remove Legacy entirely.
Just wait for our exciting announcment in 2016!-Pete Hoefling (Not really, but wait for it.)
So, in other words everywhere but the East Coast and the maybe-sort-of-Mid-West (but not really) is screwed? Cool, thanks guys.
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Sooo...
I don't want to be "that guy", but considering SCG Opens and IQs were the only thing holding Legacy together as a legitimate enterprise, Legacy's dead?
The tournament I started is over. You should join the next one.
I was 50/50 on doing it anyways, but this new announcement = I'm definitely selling out of Legacy after the Seattle GP. There's no point in sitting on thousands of $$$ just to hit up weekly events. Peace y'all. It was fun while it lasted.
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Perhaps SCG is privy to WoTC's long term magic plans, so it would be wise to reduce Legacy support if WoTC plans to enforce the Reserved List.
They had to change something. The EV for the legacy side events was insane.
So they will eliminate IQ's on Sunday, replace it with this "Classic" thing and have less of a prize support than they already do? Are the Sunday events still gonna have $30 entry? So strange.
This is true. I think the IQ they had in Dallas Ft.Worth you could go like 4-3 and still make T32 and make your $ back.
I'm in Canada....
We have 4 events+ a week, can't make them all.
Legacy survives, maybe it is even better without SCG's inbred meta
Why would you play boring, 'get killed on turn 1', 'way too expensive' legacy when you can play the wizard approved constructed format of choice, standard! Where else can you play such overpowered cards as Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise?
Some quick math...
Using the prize wall from GP Atlantan (which Pete referenced in this post), the exact conversion rate from tickets to cash value varies wildly. Using BFZ packs, which seem to have the best rate and are likely the easiest thing to move quickly, the rate is $0.395 per point.
If you can get full value for your points, the EV of every position but first actually goes up. That, however, is basically impossible. I haven't looked at their buylist but my guess is that the best EV will be to buy commander and FTV boxes, open them, and immediately sell back the singles.
I don't know if legacy's dead but I'd these events probably are. Lots of people from the LGS used to drive 8 hours round trip and get a hotel to go to SCG's nearest event. I can't imagine any of them doing that for packs. IMO, these events will be purely for the people who are already playing in the open but scrub out early enough to play another format.
I think on a macro scale (i.e., lots of people playing lots of events around the country), this certainly hurts. However, the dramatic reduction in number of people may well drop the price on a lot of singles resulting in better legacy at your local as more people can afford it.
Probably a good idea if for no other reason that it's going to be hard for prices to stay high with demand greatly reduced.
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So the 2 big US events for Legacy confirmed for next year will be GP Columbus in June and the Open in Philadelphia in February. And then there is classics if you want to play in those for no cash prizes.
In the US? Maybe.
Didn't Europe just get the Bazaar of Moxen series for 2016?
I know this looks pretty grim for Legacy's future, but on another note...
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Hey tormod. I like that there's weekly legacy too but I do like going to the big tournaments too for big cash payouts as opposed to store credit or another scrubland to add to the pile. While scg still has an open for legacy in Philadelphia, I expect less than this year and no iq's suck. I wonder how good prize walls will be...
Yeah often I feel like prizes offered by non-WOTC tournament organizers are 'too good'. Like, you can often just do the math - these guys are making pennies. I don't play Magic for a living, I play Magic as a hobby and I prefer the scenario where there are more opportunities to play. People need to be okay with more moderate prize support for large non-WoTC events.
I think if you keep prize support super top-heavy you can keep things competitive while still having some profit margin. Prize support walls are the worst though, and the payouts are pretty tragic.
As much as this forum is (for good reasons) focused on the legacy-side of this announcement, the fact that SCG is having a rough time financially and can't even find a way to make West Coast events work is the bigger story here.
Not necessarily dead, but it's condition has been worsening over the past few years and doesn't look to be improving any time soon, so the life support systems are getting shut down.
I think the biggest thing is the deep seeded emotional understanding that the right play is the right play regardless of outcomes. The ability to make a decision 5 straight times, lose 5 times because of it, and still make it the 6th time if it's the right play. - Jon Finkel
"Notions of chance and fate are the preoccupation of men engaged in rash undertakings."
The "Prize Wall" part is particularly rough for Legacy players. Cash can cover the cost the event or get turned into needed Legacy or EDH cards. The "Prize Wall" linked in the announcement doesn't have any singles on it! I have zero interest in buying packs, so what is the incentive to play in the events at all now?
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Makes me question why they do have a financial rough time. Is it just event locations getting more and more expensive or does it also calculate in that they can't milk Legacy players anymore with ever increasing prices on staples due to them cornering the market?
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