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    Re: [Deck/Primer] Countersliver (MeatHooks)

    I'd honestly just run Daniel's list card for card if you want the best list. He's been playing the deck nonstop for years. He does post on the Facebook group from time to time as well.
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    By the way, if someone with recent and substantial experience playing this deck in Legacy wants to drop some notes in here regarding any of the prominent matchups, that would be great. If you don't mind me lifting them, say so, and I'll put them into the primer and credit you. Same goes for any notes on sideboarding strategies. I've been away for a while, so I've got some catching up to do.
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    Re: [Deck/Primer] Countersliver (MeatHooks)

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    Spoiler from Kaldheim. Anyone see this being playable?
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    Re: [Deck/Primer] Countersliver (MeatHooks)

    Welcome back, Volt. I think Realmwalker is promising as a midgame card. I could see two copies main. It doesn't help build velocity, so it might be metagame-dependent. Needs testing.

    As far as matchups, you might ping Daniel Nunes (https://twitter.com/danielnunesmtg?lang=en), who has a lot of success with the deck and recently got a CFB feature (https://strategy.channelfireball.com...legacy-slivers).

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    Re: [Deck/Primer] Countersliver (MeatHooks)

    Well, figure I’ll do a post as this was my latest deck to use in our league.

    4 galerider sliver
    4 predatory sliver
    4 sinew sliver
    4 muscle sliver
    4 crystalline sliver
    4 hibernation sliver
    2 cloudshredder sliver

    2 force of negation
    4 impulse
    4 force of will
    4 aether vial

    1 underground sea
    1 tundra
    1 tropical island
    1 island
    4 city of brass
    4 cavern of souls
    4 unclaimed territory
    4 secluded courtyard

    Sideboard
    1 rushing river
    2 harmonic sliver
    2 mindbreak trap
    3 surgical extraction
    3 dismember
    1 dormant sliver
    3 chalice of the void


    Having played merfolk earlier in league, slivers felt underwhelming. The main issue was if I can’t get the hooks in, the lack of card draw pulled me farther away. I played a dormant sliver in the board for this reason and that seemed fine. I think the biggest change I did was play 4x impulse. Needing a way to find cards was the justification, but again, just not gaining card advantage is the big hurdle. Given the state of things, merfolk is the better sliver deck right now, but they aren’t positioned very well.

    And I guess just as an aside, I was considering diffusion sliver because ward 2 felt better then 1.
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    Re: [Deck/Primer] Countersliver (MeatHooks)

    What were you playing as your list?

    Once Upon A Time seems better than Impulse, if you're trying to avoid Brainstorm.

    Is there no playable source of tribal card draw?

    It's too bad you can't add something like Esper Sentinel as card draw.
    What about Realmwalker?

    What about playing Thalia main?

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    List added.

    So I guess this experience has me missing the old “bant counter slivers”. I think that could fair better as you then get to play duals and fetches plus have the ability to play actual removal and card draw spells. Like Leyline binding suddenly could be an option with duals as an example.

    Dormant sliver is the best tribal card draw that I remembered but it means you have to lose the hooks. That said the games I sided into it was because I would lose the hooks anyway.

    Once upon a time is fine, but I wanted impulse because it’s blue and doesn’t restrict my card choice. If I’m casting impulse it’s because I need to find something.

    And just to touch on creature suggestions, because I was into the tribal mana base I don’t think non slivers are an option.
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    Re: [Deck/Primer] Countersliver (MeatHooks)

    What if you go back to Bant?


    //Slivers: 25
    4 Galerider Sliver
    4 Plated Sliver
    4 Crystalline Sliver
    3 Unsettled Mariner
    4 Sinew Sliver
    4 Predatory Sliver
    2 Muscle Sliver

    //Artifacts: 4
    4 Aether Vial

    //Spells: 11
    4 Force of Will
    4 Daze
    3 Once Upon A Time

    //Lands: 20
    4 Cavern of Souls
    16 Bant lands

    Playing Daze instead of FoN seems better for card advantage.

    Hibernation is great but I don't think red is worth going 5c. Bant is stable mana + Daze. Realmwalker is also an option.

    Plated Sliver is kind of bad but you need to get board presence turn 1 to get the hooks in fast enough. An extra 1 drop + OuAT should help that a lot. The +1 does help vs Bowmasters and Plagues

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    To do it again I probably would go bant. Being unable to play non creature spells was a hinderance for sure. Being able to play fetches to aid in avoiding flooding will also be great. Could be a reason to also play eladmri’s call again.
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    Re: [Deck/Primer] Countersliver (MeatHooks)

    With Bant lands you can consider cards like Swords to Plowshares, Prismatic Ending, Daze, Deafening Silence...

    Eladamri's Call digs better than Impulse or OUAT, but OUAT has a big tempo advantage of being free on turn 1.

    Realmwalker is a Sliver creature and draws Slivers from top of library

    Mirror Entity and Masked Vandal and Changeling Outcast are also Sliver creatures.
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