Legacy Countersliver
"Slivers are evil and slivers are sly; And if you get eaten, then no one will cry." - Mogg children's rhyme.
A Brief History of Countersliver (or "Back in the Day...")
In 1999, Chris Senhouse and his team shook up the Extended format by garnering several top 8 PTQ berths with their “House of Slivers” creation, which was basically a port of the well-known Type 2 Countersliver deck. Employing the ever-potent trio of Crystalline, Muscle and Winged Sliver as his primary win condition, Senhouse filled out the rest of the deck with counterspells, card-drawers and utility spells. The deck was well-equipped to handle the powerhouse Extended decks of the time, with Crystalline/Worship lock to frustrate Sligh, countermagic to thwart High Tide combo, and countermagic + disenchants to combat Necropotence decks. While Senhouse's initial version ran just three colors (UWG), the deck eventually evolved (with the help of other innovators) into a 4-color variant with black for Hibernation Sliver, Duress and most importantly, the overpowered (and now banned) Demonic Consultation. Countersliver continued to have good success until mid-2000, at which point it fell out of favor due to shifts in the Extended metagame. Once the Revised dual lands rotated out of Extended in 2002, the Countersliver archetype rotated out with them.
Put out to pasture in the Legacy format, Countersliver languished in obscurity for several years, barely played, but not quite forgotten. Around 2006, it reemerged as "MeatHooks," a moniker derived from the hook-like appearance of sliver appendages. Though it was never considered a Tier 1 power, it managed to gain some traction in the metagame for a while. Employing Plated Sliver alongside the usual cadre of Crystalline/Muscle/Winged, the deck's primary appeal was that it was very strong against Goblins, which was considered the strongest deck in the format at the time. However, metagames evolve, and it wasn't long before Goblins began to fade from power. As Goblins receded from prominence, Countersliver began to lose relevance. At the center of this was WotC's commitment to printing increasingly powerful creatures, such as Tarmogoyf. As individual creatures became stronger and more efficient, the hive strategy of slivers became less and less enticing. However, WotC wasn't done with slivers, and with M14 and M15 came a batch of new sliver cards for us to play with. M14 was particularly bountiful, providing highly useful new slivers in the form of Galerider, Predatory, Striking, and Syphon. Then a few years later came the Modern Horizons set to gift us with Cloudshredder Sliver and Unsettled Mariner. Combined with the printing of Cavern of Souls, Sliver Hive, and Unclaimed Territory to bolster a traditionally fragile manabase, there may now be enough tools to breathe life back into this dormant archetype.
Building Countersliver
Previous versions of Legacy Countersliver were typically built to operate on 3 colors (UWG) or 4 colors (UWGB). The manabase consisted largely of dual lands and fetches, with 1 or 2 basics and some mutavaults. Fill out the deck with the obvious core slivers, as well as aether vials, brainstorms, forces, dazes, and plows, and you had yourself a Countersliver deck.
More recently, with the printing of a variety of new rainbow lands and efficient slivers, the deck has evolved into a full-fledged 5-color deck that eschews cantrips, plows, and non-Force counterspells in favor of cramming in as many good slivers as possible. Most notable has been the repeated success of Daniel Nunes with lists very much like the following:
A modern update of the more traditional Countersliver build would look something like the one below. What makes it "traditional" is the complete lack of red, a high blue count, and the barebones fetch/dual/basic engine facilitating the inclusion of Brainstorm. The manabase is surprisingly robust. Any island + rainbow land casts every 2cc spell in the deck. With full sets of dazes and forces, this list packs a good amount of disruption.Nunes "All-In" Slivers
3 Cloudshredder Sliver
4 Crystalline Sliver
4 Galerider Sliver
4 Hibernation Sliver
1 Muscle Sliver
4 Predatory Sliver
4 Sinew Sliver
2 Plated Sliver
4 Striking Sliver
2 Unsettled Mariner
4 Aether Vial
4 Force of Will
3 Wasteland
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Sliver Hive
4 Unclaimed Territory
2 Karakas
1 Ancient Ziggurat
1 Sunbaked Canyon
1 Waterlogged Grove
Sideboard:
2 Chalice of the Void
1 Containment Priest
2 Plague Engineer
2 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Force of Negation
2 Harmonic Sliver
3 Leyline of the Void
And here is a UWGR variant that forgoes Hibernation Sliver for Cloudshredder Sliver.Traditional Countersliver
4 Crystalline Sliver
4 Hibernation Sliver
4 Galerider Sliver
4 Plated Sliver
4 Sinew Sliver
4 Predatory Sliver
2 Realmwalker
4 Aether Vial
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Unclaimed Territory
4 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
Sideboard:
2 Grafdigger's CAge
2 Containment Priest
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Harmonic Sliver
2 Plague Engineer
3 Rest in Peace
2 Force of Negation
And finally, if money is tight, you can start with the following list and work your way up to the Nunes "All-In" list.Jeskai Countersliver
3 Cloudshredder Sliver
4 Crystalline Sliver
4 Galerider Sliver
2 Muscle Sliver
4 Predatory Sliver
4 Sinew Sliver
3 Unsettled Mariner
4 Aether Vial
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
4 Wasteland
4 Cavern of Souls
2 Unclaimed Territory
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
1 Island
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Volcanic Island
Sideboard:
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Containment Priest
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Harmonic Sliver
2 Force of Negation
2 Submerge
1 Invasive Surgery
Budget Slivers
4 Crystalline Sliver
3 Hibernation Sliver
3 Unsettled Mariner
4 Sinew Sliver
3 Predatory Sliver
2 Muscle Sliver
3 Cloudshredder Sliver
4 Galerider Sliver
4 Striking Sliver
2 Sidewinder Sliver
4 Aether Vial
4 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Mutavault
4 Sliver Hive
4 Unclaimed Territory
3 Ancient Ziggurat
2 Gemstone Mine
3 Plains
1 Island
Sideboard:
4 Containment Priest
4 Ethersworn Canonist
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Harmonic Sliver
1 Dismember
The Manabase
You want to run 20 lands, give or take. Start with 4x Cavern of Souls, 0-2x Karakas, 0-4x Mutavault/Wasteland. For the rest of it, you have two choices: 1) fill up with more rainbow lands, or 2) cram in a fetch/dual engine so you can run Brainstorm. Look to the above lists for examples of both strategies.
The order of preference for rainbow lands is Cavern of Souls >>> Unclaimed Territory > Sliver Hive > Ancient Ziggurat. Why Unclaimed Territory over Sliver Hive? Because Unclaimed Territory can name "Humans" for your hatebears out of the sideboard, and because you will *never* use Sliver Hive's tertiary ability in competitive Legacy play.
As for Mutavault vs Wasteland, it's a matter of debate. Mutavault is a natural fit, but Wasteland is also good for all the reasons you'd expect Wasteland to be good. One observation I'll make is that Unsettled Mariner + Wasteland = good synergy. In any case, pick one or the other and run with it.
Maindeck Choices
Aether Vial: Put your slivers into play uncounterably and play combat tricks on your opponent. Automatic 4-of.
Crystalline Sliver: Still the MVP. Listen to your opponent groan as it comes into play. Automatic 4-of.
Hibernation Sliver: Provides resilience to Terminus and Wrath effects, as well as acting as sort of a poor man’s Crystalline. Also useful for dealing with Jitte, Deathtouch, Griselbrand, and other annoyances.
Unsettled Mariner: This changeling gladly joins your hive and provides a bit of maindeck disruption against targeted removal, burn, tendrils of agony, and the like.
Sinew Sliver/Muscle Sliver/Predatory Sliver: Lordy lordy, them slivers are beefy! Make room for at least 8.
Cloudshredder Sliver: A 2-drop that gives your hive flying AND haste? Yes, please.
Galerider Sliver: Flying breaks stalemates and delivers the coup de grace. Automatic 4-of.
Striking Sliver: A nice one-drop that gives your hive first strike. Don’t knock it.
Sidewinder Sliver/Plated Sliver: More one-drops to round out the curve. Both are solid, if not spectacular. Which one is preferred depends on your metagame.
Force of Will: Puts the "counter" in countersliver.
Brainstorm: Only viable if you're playing a fetch/dual manabase to support it. In fact, if you're playing fetches and duals but not Brainstorm, then what are you doing?
Ponder: If Brainstorm is the best cantrip, this is easily the second best one. In some situations, it's actually better, as it allows you to potentially look at 4 fresh cards when searching for the thing you need.
Swords to Plowshares: Again, only viable if you're playing fetches and duals. This card would be a secondary reason to do so. You probably don't want to play any more than 2 or 3 plows, and 0 is perfectly acceptable.
Daze: In years gone by, this card was a staple in the deck. Its purpose was to help stick turn 1 aether vial or turn 2 crystalline sliver, and to buy you an extra turn against combo decks. It can still serve that purpose. However, you need to actually be playing islands for it to work. I wouldn't advise it in builds that run fewer than 8 islands or ways to fetch islands.
FAQ
Q: Should I keep this 1-land hand?
A: A tricky question. If you have a vial and can play it, then probably yes. Otherwise, it depends. Sometimes you can get by with making one-drops for a couple of turns until you draw out of it. Sometimes you get wastelanded to death or take too long to find another land. Them's the breaks.
Q: Merfolk does is better.
A: That isn't a question. I can tell because there isn't a question mark at the end. But, yeah, okay, maybe. What of it?
Q: What happens if I attack with flanking, and my opponent blocks with Ice-Fang Coatl or Baleful Strix?
A: The deathtouch creature dies before it can deliver damage. Your creature survives, but is still blocked.
Q: Does flanking stack?
A: Yes.
Q: Does Unsettled Mariner's effect apply to cards that say "without paying its mana cost?"
A: Yes.
Q: Does Unsettled Mariner's effect apply to spells that "can't be countered?"
A: Yes, but they can safely ignore the effect.
Q: What about this really awesome sliver that costs 4 or 5 mana?
A: It's too difficult to cast. Even 3cc slivers are mostly unplayable.
Q: Slivers are the coolest!
A: Again, not a question. But yes, yes they are.
Tournament History & Proven Lists
mtgtop8.com <-- Select Legacy format and search for decks with maindeck Crystalline Sliver
hareruyamtg.com
Credits
Chris Lennon (Volt)
James Hammer (Pinder)
Brian Crownhart (Maverick676)
John Thomas (xsockmonkeyx)
Gordy Goetz (Tosh)
Sam Blau (Kronicler)
and the rest of Team InfoNinja.
Also, special thanks to Kicks_422, who coined 'MeatHooks' as an alternate deck name for Countersliver.
References & Additional Reading
Who's the Beatdown?
The Secret Life of Slivers
A Sliver Story
Sliver Me Timbers
Sliver Anatomy
Prisoner of the Skep; or, How I Encountered the Slivers—and Lived to Tell the Tale!
Tales from the Crypt Sliver
Take the Sliver Quiz!
Sliver Pâté
This Hive is No Mos Eisley
A Sliver of a Chance
A Sliver of Direction
Slivers
Deck of the Day: Modern Slivers
Treasure Cruisin' Pauper Slivers
Modern Slivers with Modern Horizons
Slivers Through History
10 Strongest Cards for a Sliver Commander Deck
Last edited by Volt; 04-26-2021 at 12:42 AM. Reason: new deck lists; fixed some broken links and added new articles
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How to Sideboard
Much of your sideboard will be devoted to combo. In matchups where Force of Will is good, you want to increase your blue count after sideboard, or at the very least don't reduce it. Avoid siding out any of your "lords," i.e. Sinew/Predatory/Muscle. Most of the time, you'll be siding out things like Sidewinder, Striking, and Cloudshredder. Against the unfair decks, I tend to side out Cloudshredders first, as the one-drops smooth out your mana curve and generally do more for your clock.
Matchups
Under construction. If you want to help out with this endeavor, let me know in the replies.
Generally, slivers do well against most “fair” decks, and so-so to poor against “unfair” decks.
RUG Delver: positive/favorable
Countersliver is about a 60/40 favorite here, give or take. If your opponent opens with turn 1 Delver, strongly consider Forcing it, especially if you're on the draw or have a slow start. Cavern of Souls is a juicy Wasteland target for your opponent, so keep that first Cavern in your hand until you're going to use it. If you're also playing Wasteland, you generally want to try to keep your opponent off red. However, I've found that using your first turn to waste your opponent's land is usually a losing play, as they have probably either cantripped or summoned a creature. If they used their first turn to play a volcanic island and bolt you, then go ahead and waste it, because they probably kept a subpar hand and their big plan is to play Dreadhorde Arcanist or Tarmogoyf next turn. Otherwise, spending your first turn wasting their land is likely just going to solidify their lead. Better to develop your board instead.
Burn: negative/unfavorable
This is a bad matchup, something like 70/30 against you, unless you're running maindeck Chalices. It's made worse by the fact that you probably don't have much help in your sideboard. Your best bet is to slow them down with Mariners, apply quick beats, and Force whatever you can along the way. Try to minimize your exposure to Price of Progress by fetching basics if you have them, and not playing non-basics that you don't need. If you're running Wasteland, play them out and keep them untapped so you can waste your own lands in response to Price of Progress.
Last edited by Volt; 12-23-2020 at 11:51 PM.
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Welcome in the new thread, fellow Hivelords!
Fitting for the new start, I fiel like I've never had this much fun before while playing Magic ^^
This weekend is Nebraska's War in Italy, one of the biggest European Tournament weekends, and I got 10th out of 103 in the Trial for the Legacy Main Event tomorrow :D
The List I ran was - as I suggested - a Merfolk-like take on Slivers. I really loved it <3
Creatures (28):
4 Galerider Sliver
4 Hibernation Sliver
4 Crystalline Sliver
4 Sinew Sliver
4 Predatory Sliver
2 Muscle Sliver
2 Syphon Sliver
1 Winged Sliver
3 Phantasmal Image
Spells (11):
4 Force of Will
4 AEther Vial
3 Chalice of the Void
Lands (21):
4 Mutavault
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Sliver Hive
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
2 Tundra
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Island
Sideboard (15):
2 Harmonic Sliver
2 Rest in Peace
2 Submerge
2 Echoing Truth
2 Negate
2 Flusterstorm
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Pithing Needle
1 Containment Priest
The Tournament was 7 rounds and then Top 8, which I obviously couldn't participate in.
Round 1 against Nicholas with Aggro Loam: 2-1
Game 1 I mulled to six and kept a mediocre Hand. After he started strong I conceded with him only seeing a Misty. Game 2 I simply spammed the board protected by Crystalline. Game 3 was close - after he discarded Crystalline Turn 1 and followed up with a turn 2 Liliana, I crawled back on Top of 2 Vial, a Hibernation and a Predatory, soon to be followed by a RiP and a Chalice on 2 (of which both didn't survive for long), staring at a Knight with Maze of Ith and no Lands to tutor up Depths for the Combo kill. When I finally drew more Slivers, I could overwhelm him.
Round 2 against Frederico with Grixis Delver: 2-0
Both very uninteractive Games. He won the Die roll, started both Games with T1 Deathrite into T2 Pyromancer, after which he dazed all my Slivers despite them being uncounterable through Cavern, just to get Tokens.
Round 3 against Andrea with Miracles: 2-0
Lost the Die roll again, oh well. He forced my Turn 1 Vial and didn't play anything else for the rest of the Game die to me slamming a Chalice on 1 Turn 2, except for a last effort Jace to bounce a Sliver. Didn't even buy him a turn. Game 2 it was Turn 2 Crystalline into Turn 3 Hibernation backed up by Lords, and I was able to Force a Terminus. These Games were over really quick.
Round 4 against *didn't note the name* with Sneak & Show: 2-1
Really nice guy, we had a lot of fun. I lost the Die roll again, and died to a Turn 2 Griselbrand. Game 2 I assembled a fast clock, and when he finally got a Griselbrand in, I copied it with Image from a Vial, he had to chumpblock, and I drew into a lot of cards, killing him. Game 3 was similar, only with a Containment Priest and a few Pyroclasms getting involved in the fun, making this Game 3 an extremely close one.
Round 5 against Lukas with Storm: 0-2
This guy ended up winning the Tournament. I finally won the Die Roll, but had to mull to 5 both Games into hands with no interaction. Game 2 I also made a silly misplay by countering the wrong Spell :/
Round 6 against Lorenzo with Merfolk: 1-2
Yeah, it really hurt to get pushed out of the Top 8 by the bigger brother. This Matchup feels like one of those that depends strongly on who wins the Die roll - which I lost.
Round 7 against Luca with Storm: 2-1
Lost Game 1, built a strong counterwall Game 2, and was really lucky Game 3 that he fizzled under a Chalice @0, while he had a Xanthid Swarm to blank my Countermagic.
I was really impressed by the Manabase, never had any problems casting my Slivers. What was a Problem, on the other Side, was keeping UU open to double counter against Storm or Sneak Show. Because of that I'll try replacing the Negates in my board with Meddling Mages - especially against Storm I can put one Cavern on Human, easing her Manacost a bit. Creatures are easier to cast than Instants, with all those Caverns ;)
The rest of my board seems fine to me.
Syphon Sliver never did anything meaningful the whole Day, and I got suggestions to replace it with Darkheart Sliver, because this one should be faster. Currently, Syphon's staring, but Darkheart might at least be worth some consideration.
Have fun Slivering :P
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Spoiler from Kaldheim. Anyone see this being playable?
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Welcome back, Volt. I think Realmwalker is promising as a midgame card. I could see two copies main. It doesn't help build velocity, so it might be metagame-dependent. Needs testing.
As far as matchups, you might ping Daniel Nunes (https://twitter.com/danielnunesmtg?lang=en), who has a lot of success with the deck and recently got a CFB feature (https://strategy.channelfireball.com...legacy-slivers).
Well, figure I’ll do a post as this was my latest deck to use in our league.
4 galerider sliver
4 predatory sliver
4 sinew sliver
4 muscle sliver
4 crystalline sliver
4 hibernation sliver
2 cloudshredder sliver
2 force of negation
4 impulse
4 force of will
4 aether vial
1 underground sea
1 tundra
1 tropical island
1 island
4 city of brass
4 cavern of souls
4 unclaimed territory
4 secluded courtyard
Sideboard
1 rushing river
2 harmonic sliver
2 mindbreak trap
3 surgical extraction
3 dismember
1 dormant sliver
3 chalice of the void
Having played merfolk earlier in league, slivers felt underwhelming. The main issue was if I can’t get the hooks in, the lack of card draw pulled me farther away. I played a dormant sliver in the board for this reason and that seemed fine. I think the biggest change I did was play 4x impulse. Needing a way to find cards was the justification, but again, just not gaining card advantage is the big hurdle. Given the state of things, merfolk is the better sliver deck right now, but they aren’t positioned very well.
And I guess just as an aside, I was considering diffusion sliver because ward 2 felt better then 1.
Last edited by Weapon X; 12-18-2023 at 07:51 PM.
The Parfait Meta-Game
What were you playing as your list?
Once Upon A Time seems better than Impulse, if you're trying to avoid Brainstorm.
Is there no playable source of tribal card draw?
It's too bad you can't add something like Esper Sentinel as card draw.
What about Realmwalker?
What about playing Thalia main?
Great prime on Slivers! Thanks a lot for refreshing and summarizing information on the deck. Like this new illustration of Crystalline Sliver, by the way :).
Would like to share a few thoughts:
- Mutavault will not be able to block Progenitus as Progenitus has protection from everything.
- Winged Sliver still can be a good choice because of its mana cost - 2cmc. In case of using Chalice of the Void (most likely with one counter) and having no Cavern of Souls in play, we won't be able to cast Galerider Sliver. And in most cases our Aether Vial will be set for two. So we would be able to cast or sneak into play Winged Sliver much easier and it can be a great surprise at the end of Declare Attackers Step.
- Perhaps, it makes sense to add this link http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Slivers to help unfamiliar with the Rath block players understand the history of Slivers. Just for gameplay fun :).
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Carpe Diem
Welcome to the new digs, guys! Make yourselves at home.
Thanks, Chronatog, for catching my error regarding Mutavault and Progenitus. I will update the primer.
I have some tournament results to report, myself. I went to my local Saturday night Legacy tournament at Time Vault, in downtown Portland, OR. Kind of a light crowd tonight, only 11 players, but they were all pretty solid, with pretty solid decks. This place basically is the Portland Legacy metagame, as far as I can tell. I decided to give ol' Chalice Slivers a go. Here's the list I ran:
4 Crystalline Sliver
4 Hibernation Sliver
4 Galerider Sliver
4 Muscle Sliver
4 Predatory Sliver
4 Sinew Sliver
3 Syphon Sliver
4 AEther Vial
4 Force of Will
3 Chalice of the Void
4 Mutavault
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Sliver Hive
2 Ancient Ziggurat
4 Flooded Strand
1 Island
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
SB:
3 Containment Priest
3 Faerie Macabre
3 Harmonic Sliver
3 Pithing Needle
1 Echoing Truth
1 Submerge
1 Vapor Snag
The sideboard wasn't ideal. I threw it together at the last second. Anyway, on to the games.
Round 1 vs Sneak and Show.
G1: I don't know what he's playing. He mulls to 5, and I think "yay!" He casts Show and Tell on turn 2. I don't have Force. He drops Emrakul into play. There's no way I can deal with that, so I scoop.
G2: His hand is slower this time. He does eventually cast Show and Tell again, dropping Emrakul into play again. However, he's at 10 life, and I'm able to swing with my sliver team and punch through exactly 10 damage.
G3: I get quick sliver beats. Around turn 4 or so, he taps out to play Sneak Attack. It resolves. On my turn, I play Pithing Needle. Has has the force. Damn. I swing with my team, bringing him down to 1 life, and pass the turn. On his turn, he sneaks Emrakul in to play and swings, bringing me down to 4 life and wiping my entire board. I have an Aether Vial in hand, but no land. I top-deck a land and play Aether Vial. He draws nothing for the next few turns, until I vial in a Crystalline and kill him with it. Whew!
Never saw Chalice, but 1-0
Round 2 vs UR Splinter Twin combo
So, um, yeah, he was playing an updated version of the Splinter Twin deck from Modern. I lost to it 2-0. Kind of embarrassing. Moving on...
Never saw Chalice, now 1-1
Round 3 vs Tin Fins
G1: On the first turn, he plays Mox Diamond, Probes me, then therapies the Force out of my hand, then dark rituals Liliana into play. A couple turns later, I scoop.
G2: I didn't do anything special. His deck just kinda shit on itself, and I won.
G3: I land Containment Priest on T2 and ride it to victory.
Again, no Chalice. Zero Chalices in 3 matches, but I'm 2-1.
Round 4 vs Burn
G1: I land turn 1 Aether Vial, turn 2 Chalice (about friggin time!) and coast to victory.
G2: He Smashes my early Aether Vial, then lands a Sulfuric Vortex the turn before Syphon Sliver was going to hit the board. I get him down to 2 life, but he burns me out.
G3: This looked bad. I mulled to 6 and kept a 1-land hand with Aether Vial. It stuck for 1 turn before he blew it up with an Ingot Chewer. I had 1 land and a Galerider in play, but Crystalline and lots of muscle in hand. I needed to topdeck a land NOW. Luckily, I did. Crystalline hit the board, followed by Sinew, Sinew, and I outraced him.
And that was it. I finished 3-1.
Comments: I saw one Chalice in 11 games, but it was amazing in that one game. Syphon Sliver almost mattered in one game, but otherwise was a no-show as well. I've really liked it in my on-line playtesting, but it was a non-factor tonight. I was pretty happy with the manabase. I upped the land count to 22, and included a couple of Ancient Ziggurats. The Ziggurats don't help with casting Chalice, obviously, but otherwise work pretty well. They're actually the best lands for casting hate-bears in games 2-3.
Kind of a weird night as far as my draws, but a pretty decent result. Way too small a sample to make any sort of determination as to whether Chalice > Brainstorm in this deck.
ED: Nice job on your tournament result, Khamul!
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Just to chime in, here is my latest build
1 Ancient Ziggurat
2 Horizon Canopy
2 Mana Confluence
2 Reflecting Pool
2 Tundra
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Mutavault
4 Sliver Hive
1 Winged Sliver
2 Muscle Sliver
2 Syphon Sliver
3 Phantasmal Image
4 Crystalline Sliver
4 Galerider Sliver
4 Hibernation Sliver
4 Predatory Sliver
4 Sinew Sliver
3 Chalice of the Void
4 Æther Vial
4 Force of Will
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Thorn of Amethyst
SB: 2 Echoing Truth
SB: 2 Harmonic Sliver
SB: 2 Faerie Macabre
SB: 2 Meddling Mage
SB: 1 Chalice of the Void
SB: 2 Containment Priest
I still don't know whether the mana base with fetch+blue dual lands is better than the one I use:
- You might get flooded a bit more with my mana base (but I believe that the odds of drawing a business card instead of another land when it matters is after fetch n°3 or 4) but you will be able to fully use Mutavault (more likely to at least), every turn.
- You are stifle proof with mine
- I dunno what mana base is best for playing a hatebear oriented sideboard.
Keep rocking guys !
I can tell you that I've tried Reflecting Pool before, with very mixed results. I suspect you'll find them unsatisfactory over the long haul. And pain lands? Man, I dunno. Good luck, though.
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why not cut 1 pool, 1 zigg and play 2 more confluence? is the life that important in this kind of deck outside of the burn matchup?
-rob
here is my latest build
1 Island
1 Tundra
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Predatory Sliver
3 Sinew Sliver
3 Muscle Sliver
3 Hibernation Sliver
4 Crystalline Sliver
4 Galerider Sliver
2 Phantasmal Image
4 Æther Vial
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
2 Spell Pierce
SB:
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Dismember
2 Submerge
2 Thoughtseize
2 Harmonic Sliver
2 Darkheart Sliver
1 Meddling Mage
1 Grafediggers Cage
2 Flusterstorm
I'm still testing...
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