Shadows over Innistrad

[tescrin]

I feel like you can almost guarantee the Liliana reprint. She's a perfect madness enabler.

The only reason I'd suspect she may not is because she's already insanely good, giving her +1 essentially +2 CA is brutal. Then again, because of Madness, you can avoid her +1.. so who knows.

Still it seems ripe for her.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Flavor text on Structural Distortion reads

"As Zendikar has bled, so will Innistrad.
As I have ***, so will Sorin."
- Nahiri

[bruizar]

Investigate looks like the first step towards contraptions.

[Lord Seth]

They just wrote an article yesterday that Liliana of the Veil was too powerful for current Standard, despite not dominating the first time.

In the article, they actually only said it was too powerful for the Magic 2015 Standard. They didn't explicitly state it's too powerful for current Standard. There's an implication, but Wizards of the Coast has a tendency to imply something, then go against it afterwards and claim "we never explicitly said that."

[rufus]

What's the over/under on investigate cards in affinity?

[bruizar]

Flavor text on Structural Distortion reads

"As Zendikar has bled, so will Innistrad.
As I have ***, so will Sorin."
- Nahiri

See you soon Emrakul

[ScottW]

I feel like you can almost guarantee the Liliana reprint. She's a perfect madness enabler.

The only reason I'd suspect she may not is because she's already insanely good, giving her +1 essentially +2 CA is brutal. Then again, because of Madness, you can avoid her +1.. so who knows.

Still it seems ripe for her.

Not that I really care but is there a precedent for reprinting PWs in expansion sets? Wizards always seemed to use the core sets for this. I don't keep careful track so I could easily be mistaken

[ReAnimator]

Builder for 2G, 2/3 or 3/3 and may return a land card from your graveyard to hand upon entering the battlefield.

This is a really interesting card. If we get some good return land cards , and i guess we will since there's a "discard land" theme, mox diamond decks could get much stronger, and again, fetches BOHOO. This is essentially a 3/3 for 2G that return a fetch/wasteland to your hand. It's already borderline playable and it's a common. I know witness exist but this is tomb-mox castable.

lol wut? tilling treefolk

[Gheizen64]

lol wut? tilling treefolk

I feel like i'm discovering a lot of new imba cards today!

[bruizar]

Whenever I look at land graveyard recursion I look at Orcish Lumberjack. Some day I'll break you Orc.

[joven]

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Liliana of the Veil is an interesting one since it works so well with madness, but they tend to use PWs to advance the story and I think she's old news. I am excited for new madness cards though to play with my Lili set in Modern.

Liliana is still walking around with the Chainveil. So storywise it fits as far as I know. I hope WotC goes for it. Would be bad to miss this opportunity IMO.

Kind of funny that they essentially made a new threshold that's even more of a pain to keep track of.

+1
"Goyfhold"

Smells like there could be a Tarmogoyf reprint possible in that block .. maybe. Who knows? Would be more than about time! But it would also be said, I thought somebody said Tarmogoyf originates from Muraganda.
Also, Tarmogoyf is said not to be too strong for Standard, but we'll have to see.

In the article, they actually only said it was too powerful for the Magic 2015 Standard. They didn't explicitly state it's too powerful for current Standard. There's an implication, but Wizards of the Coast has a tendency to imply something, then go against it afterwards and claim "we never explicitly said that."

+1


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So far I'm not really impressed by the spoiled cards.
The extract effect on Invasive Surgery seems a bit overpowered for just one mana. But since I don't like combo I don't mind that much. ;)
The Devil tokens with that death trigger seem to be an interesting idea, but probably more for Limited.
Skulk seems interesting.
I don't care much for Madness.

[Gheizen64]

While it's useless for legacy, the 4RR create 5 demons that ping on death at sorcery is seriously some good value for standard formats. I guess we'll get a R instant that make a Devil? That'd be really good with prowess and pyromancer, i'm hoping. I also really like Devils being mechanically red.

[Megadeus]

Fwiw, I think that someone has already announced that Goyf will not be printed in shadows

[Bobmans]

Fwiw, I think that someone has already announced that Goyf will not be printed in shadows

Didn't WotC say they would never want to reprint goyf in a set that hits Standard, hence the printing in Modern Masters?

[Goaswerfraiejen]

They might not print Goyf, but they might have a crack at a fixed version. Delirium's asymmetry is a start, and they'll probably make it UG or RG or something.

[Barook]

I could totally see them printing something like this:

Delirium Goyf
Creature - Lhurgoyf
Delirium - Delrium Goyf gets +4/+4.
0/1

Edit: Or something more akin to Sylvan Advocate if they want to push the power level.

[sjmcc13]

Didn't WotC say they would never want to reprint goyf in a set that hits Standard, hence the printing in Modern Masters?

Not certain, but it make sense because re-printing Goyf in a Std set would tank the price majorly, and aggravate allot of players and collectors who paid a premium for their (foil) sets. It would also kill one of the major selling points for future Modern Masters sets.

[Gheizen64]

They stated that they didn't like threshold because it was too swingy... then they print this instead of printing something like Threshold 4 (or a variable number instead of 7 cards to get the bonuses, i think 4 is pretty much what you want , sorta like spell mastery) with moderate bonuses??

The only reason i can think of of why they wanted delirium is that threshold make you want to run 12+ fetches for no good reason but to fuel threshold were delirium want you to play every kind of card in your deck which is more elegant on deckbuilding restriction. The problem is instant-sorcery are two different types which go with land and then you need just 1 more card, which mean this is super good for tempo and so-so in permanent based decks, at least until enchantments remain underpar compared to other things.

[bruizar]

That card is borderline maindeckable as a 1-of in some Delver shells, and completely changes Delver's relationship with cards like Terminus postboard. I've Enveloped a Ponder more than once, and taking all of someone's Ponders in the Delver mirror is far from terrible. Loam? Ancestral Vision ? Sign me up.

And full information of deck + hand.

[apple713]

Whenever I look at land graveyard recursion I look at Orcish Lumberjack. Some day I'll break you Orc.

Was used in panda burst. Pandamonium + saproling burst.