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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

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    A single one can rebuild an army due to grab Flickerwisp --> flicker it --> grab another Flickerwisp --> etc.

    Imperial Recruiter was already good against Miracles by chaining 1/1s. This one can chain 3/1 flyers...
    Jup. Thats what I was hinting at
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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

    Here is a short list of random cards that new recruiter can get, that the old recruiter couldn't get, 3 CMC or below (plus evoke type cards) that may be interesting:


    Boon Satyr
    Matter Reshaper
    Spirit of the Labyrinth
    Tireless Tracker
    Troll Ascetic
    True-Name Nemesis
    Shriekmaw
    Vendilion Clique
    Flickerwisp
    Kitchen Finks
    Asylum Visitor
    Bloodbraid Elf
    Spitebellows

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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

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    That's how Aluren works. It used Dreamstalker previously, since it was harder to kill. You need a blue card to bounce for Harpy.

    Aluren seems like it could probably adapt for this. I'm still irritated as hell that it doesn't support Painter, but oh well. Can't have everything.
    Ok I just did a quick check of replacements for Dream Stalker and I think they exist. (Shrieking Drake, Keymaster Rogue [nm 4 cmc]). Does the deck function that way other than getting these guys Bolted with the ability on the stack?

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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

    Since it doesn't force red like Imperial does, it also opens up other ways to splash:

    Green has access to Noble Hierarch to power it out faster. KotR and Pridemage are the most important targets. Reclamation Sage is also nice to have in the board, as is Gaddock Teeg somewhere in the 75.

    Blue has V. Clique, TNN (both very blue heavy), Meddling Mage, Geist of Saint Traft.

    Black has Bob, Tidehollow Sculler and Orzhov Pontiff. It also grabs Shriekmaw or those 3/1 all players sac a creature Zombies for .

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    Spirit of the Labyrinth is an interesting one, I think. Now you don't need Enlightened Tutor to find your bad-in-multiples silver bullet, but you can side in Tutors and/or extra copies if you really want it.

    This can also find Notion Thief, though that's less good since Thief's main value is in the gotcha.

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    Not sure how useful a 3 CMC tutor would be though for finding your Storm hate.
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    @Barook. . . yeah - looking at the above list I made, other than Shiekmaw, Flickerwisp, TNN and Clique (maybe Spirit), there aren't that many great new targets . . . . I mean those 4/5 cards may be enough to make this card worth it, but the true stregnth of this card is that it opens up tutoring for previous targets in non-red decks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maharis View Post
    Ok I just did a quick check of replacements for Dream Stalker and I think they exist. (Shrieking Drake, Keymaster Rogue). Does the deck function that way other than getting these guys Bolted with the ability on the stack?
    There are replacements, sure. Being Bolted wasn't really the issue. The combo itself is pretty resilient. Dream Stalker was just incrementally better. Might as well get a 1/5 over a 1/1 if you can.

    Aluren may end up marginally improved by this. It's hard to say. There's a lot of interesting sideboard applications if you can splash white heavily enough. It's still a sorcery speed combo deck until the turn you go off, so I doubt it affects how often you end up seeing it. If someone places highly, you can count on Aluren jumping up into the played tier of reserve list pricing.

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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    Not sure how useful a 3 CMC tutor would be though for finding your Storm hate.
    It's very strong when your other option is topdecking it.

    On the play t1 Vial into t3 tutor lets you get a Thalia before their t3.

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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

    I am more worried about this into new Thalia. That card fucks me so hard. Its really hard to play with 40% of your deck gets the tag "ETB Tapped".
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    There's potential for dopey double combo decks..

    4 Imperial Recruiter
    4 Recruiter of the Guard
    4 Food Chain
    4 Aluren

    1 Man-o-War
    1 Cavern Harpy
    1 Parasitic Strix

    1 Kiki-Jiki Mirror Breaker
    1 Lightning Crafter

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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Here is a short list of random cards that new recruiter can get, that the old recruiter couldn't get, 3 CMC or below (plus evoke type cards) that may be interesting:


    Boon Satyr
    Matter Reshaper
    Spirit of the Labyrinth
    Tireless Tracker
    Troll Ascetic
    True-Name Nemesis
    Shriekmaw
    Vendilion Clique
    Flickerwisp
    Kitchen Finks
    Asylum Visitor
    Bloodbraid Elf
    Spitebellows
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    Ranger of eos
    Melira
    Spike Feeder
    Viscera Seer
    Karmic Guide

    Etc...

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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

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    Ranger of eos
    Melira
    Spike Feeder
    Viscera Seer
    Karmic Guide

    Etc...
    I mean. . . sure, but none of those cards meet the criteria of that list, which wasn't cards this could tutor up, but cards that the old recuriter couldn't and yet were 3cmc or below or could be cast another way for 3cmc or below

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    A single one can rebuild an army due to grab Flickerwisp --> flicker it --> grab another Flickerwisp --> etc.

    Imperial Recruiter was already good against Miracles by chaining 1/1s. This one can chain 3/1 flyers...
    If you're playing the right colors (or a vial) it could fetch Grenzo after a terminus too.

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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

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    If you're playing the right colors (or a vial) it could fetch Grenzo after a terminus too.
    Mardu and "right colors" don't go into the same sentence.

    The strenght of the card is being a) mono-white and b) being able to grab some stuff Imperial couldn't. I don't see a reason to run Grenzo when this alone can already rebuild an army of Flickerwisps all by itself.

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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

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    Mardu and "right colors" don't go into the same sentence.

    The strenght of the card is being a) mono-white and b) being able to grab some stuff Imperial couldn't. I don't see a reason to run Grenzo when this alone can already rebuild an army of Flickerwisps all by itself.
    Not to mention fetching Grenzo after a Terminus would defeat the whole point, since you'd shuffle and have nothing on the bottom. Grenzo is terrible, just use Recriuter to find good creatures.

    I do wonder if this might somehow make Ranger of Eos somehow playable. That card is a heck of an engine in and of itself, but I doubt if it costing 4 can be overcome. It would be pretty sweet versus Miracles though.
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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

    It's too bad you can't fetch Enlistment Officer for a more goblins style soldier deck seeing as how this new recruiter is very close to Goblin Matron.
    It would take Death and Taxes from tax/equipment/vial to tax/swarm/vial.

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    Up to $30 now at SCG.
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    I feel like it should be more of a 10-15 dollar card. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong.
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    Re: Conspiracy: Take the Crown

    I feel like the non-yoyo Big 4 will be Miracles/Grixis Tempo/Eldrazi/D&T for the time being. I know, I'm ballsy.

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