Conspiracy: Take the Crown

[Ace/Homebrew]

He seems like a good CA engine. If you attack with a couple of creatures, chances are that you'll hit a land and/or playable spells.
His cost fills an empty gap in gob's traditional curve. It is interesting, but not sure it will be good enough to help gob which as more a huge problem in fighting combo.

He says "you may cast" which I believe means you do not get to drop lands into play.

And the 2-spot is an empty gap?
Mogg War Marshal
Goblin Piledriver
Warren Instigator

[Dice_Box]

Where would you put this that is not Goblins? What other decks are going to have the mana free to abuse the effect and the creatures availble to hit and trigger it? Something like Young Pyro?

[(nameless one)]

So is Goblins... *insert Mount Everest of Salt*

Did someone say Goblins: http://i.imgur.com/vboJQm0.png

[BenBleiweiss]

At least we know why this wasn't in EMA now!

[the Thin White Duke]

At least we know why this wasn't in EMA now!

Zoinks!
Maybe I'll up my preorder by another box...

[Finn]

Honestly, I think this might be a powerful upgrade for Goblins. It could go in the - hear me out here - Ringleader spot. It could take some wrangling, but this could be a better card advantage engine than Ringleader for half the cost. And you would not have to have ~30 card-type Goblin cards in the deck for it to work. With one Goblin connecting it is an annoyance. With three connecting on successive turns it is substantial. And if you happen to exile Past in Flames or something it is bonafide disruption also. I like Hordeling Outburst as a possibility.

[ReAnimator]

Who knows maybe there will be a new combat centric goblins build that uses something like Cabal Slaver as well to really gain some advantages.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Honestly, I think this might be a powerful upgrade for Goblins. It could go in the - hear me out here - Ringleader spot.

Fair, but then we're actually talking about a completely separate deck from Vial Goblins (as in, a new thread in New and Developmental Decks would have to be created).

If Grenzo takes the 'card advantage' slot instead of Ringleader, then there really isn't a need to maximize the goblin count since any creature type that connect gets the bonus. Stuff like Lackey and Incinerator become much worse to the extent they wouldn't be worth playing. There might be enough creatures that play well with Grenzo that happen to be goblins to continue attempting some of the synergy (Mogg War Marshal for instance). That would let you continue using something like Goblin Matron, although you could probably argue that Imperial Recruiter is better depending on the other cards in the deck.

Ultimately we'll see what kind of splash he makes in the Legacy pond. I'm predicting a barely noticeable ripple.

[UseLess]

There's some really nice (functional) reprints in this set and exciting new cards as well! Starts to look better than EMA. Apart from port, where there any other missing candidates from EMA? We basically got recruiter now and berserk as well. Fingers crossed that they are actually open to more reprinting of expensive non-reserved list stuff in normal supplied sets :).

[ET1]

There's some really nice (functional) reprints in this set and exciting new cards as well! Starts to look better than EMA. Apart from port, where there any other missing candidates from EMA? We basically got recruiter now and berserk as well. Fingers crossed that they are actually open to more reprinting of expensive non-reserved list stuff in normal supplied sets :).

Show and Tell would be a pretty sweet card to play in a multiplayer draft

[Cire]

Please say hello to the best-named magic card ever.

[Barook]

Please say hello to the best-named magic card ever.

It would be a shame if they didn't include a Mogg Maniac/Stuffy Doll type card in the set. Does draft round only go up to 15 per pack or does it include previous packs as well?

[maharis]

I feel like we're getting some mixed messages from Wizards on eternal.

+:
Eternal Masters
More playable but not broken cards in the past few sets (well, Eldrazi is a little arguable, but plenty of other BFZ, OGW, SOI, and EMN cards are making it into Legacy and Vintage)
Meaningful reprints in summer set (Berserk, Burning Wish)
Meaningful new cards in summer set

-:
Reduced GP support
Still no RL movement
Very low print run on EMA

[MaximumC]

There's some really nice (functional) reprints in this set and exciting new cards as well! Starts to look better than EMA. Apart from port, where there any other missing candidates from EMA? We basically got recruiter now and berserk as well. Fingers crossed that they are actually open to more reprinting of expensive non-reserved list stuff in normal supplied sets :).

I'm going to get on my soap box again and link to a bunch of times I've made this point. I've got a reason beyond just self-aggrandizing, though there's that, too. People really need to Calm. Down. about the Reserve List, stop buying into spikes, and recognize that Wizards is in fact fixing the problem in the best possible way: printing more cards.

Here's a few of the times I've made this point in the past, to cement home the concept that this is a long-term thing that everyone needs to celebrate and recognize:

That's hyperbole. I agree that the Reserve List is a red herring, but Wizards is actively printing new cards to fix the problem. Stony Silence (Null Rod?) Spirit of the Labyrinth (Chains of Meph)? The list goes on and on. They are even releasing multiple sets a year designed to plug cards directly into legacy - Commander and Conspiracy.

They're not fixing the problem swiftly: could you imagine the MSRP of a set where they printed situationally better/worse duals AND power nine in a single expansion?! But they ARE fixing the problem!

From: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/m...ad?comment=387

Of course you can. And, remember, there's no definition of "Spirit of the Reserve List" so it's silly to talk about it like it's a hard and fast rule.

But, it doesn't matter anyway. You can absolutely get cards that fill the same or similar functional niche.

Moat -> Magus of the Moat
Null Rod -> Stony Silence
Sphere of Reistence -> Thalia, Lodestone Golem
etc, etc

None of these cards are identical, all are better or worse in different circumstances, but the ones that actually "get there" (like Stony Silence) help reduce the demand for the original and give people an option to play those format. You can absolutely do this for other cards. For example:

Strange Dual Land
Forest Island
When this enters the battlefield, all players Scry 1.

There ya go. Doesn't offend the reserve list, situationally better or worse then Revised dual lands.

And on top of that, you can print cards that just do something that is competitive with the old cards without replacing them.

Mana Drain -> Spell Pierce, Mental Misstep, Mindbreak Trap, Flusterstorm
Ancestral Recall -> Treasure Cruise, Dig Through Time
etc etc

Stop thinking so myopically about the RESERVE LIST, PRAISED BE HIS NAME and realize that WotC can (and IS!) printing its way out of the problem with new cards.

[square_two]

Fair, but then we're actually talking about a completely separate deck from Vial Goblins (as in, a new thread in New and Developmental Decks would have to be created).

If Grenzo takes the 'card advantage' slot instead of Ringleader, then there really isn't a need to maximize the goblin count since any creature type that connect gets the bonus. Stuff like Lackey and Incinerator become much worse to the extent they wouldn't be worth playing. There might be enough creatures that play well with Grenzo that happen to be goblins to continue attempting some of the synergy (Mogg War Marshal for instance). That would let you continue using something like Goblin Matron, although you could probably argue that Imperial Recruiter is better depending on the other cards in the deck.

Ultimately we'll see what kind of splash he makes in the Legacy pond. I'm predicting a barely noticeable ripple.

New goblin works well with Magus of the Moon. You can exile spells from your opponent's deck and then play them using all the red mana your heart desires. Or that you have available. Sort of an interesting card advantage for the more aggressive Dragon Stompy lists perhaps? Pia and Kiran would be great if they can lead to even more advantage than what they already offer.

Maybe some sort of creature base like...

4 Hanweir Garrison
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Imperial Recruiter
4 Magus of the Moon
2 Grenzo, Havoc Raiser
2 Pia and Kiran Nalaar

Also, the goad has the potential to force potential blockers to attack? Seems pretty niche for the times you want either version of Rabblemaster to be able to get in.

[Richard Cheese]

Honestly, I think this might be a powerful upgrade for Goblins. It could go in the - hear me out here - Ringleader spot. It could take some wrangling, but this could be a better card advantage engine than Ringleader for half the cost. And you would not have to have ~30 card-type Goblin cards in the deck for it to work. With one Goblin connecting it is an annoyance. With three connecting on successive turns it is substantial. And if you happen to exile Past in Flames or something it is bonafide disruption also. I like Hordeling Outburst as a possibility.

This is an interesting angle. I'm not sure it's a great comparison to Ringleader because you're getting random cards instead of more Goblins, but this is Legacy so almost everything you hit will be worth casting if you can. I like that with Vial he turns fairly benign board states into fairly threatening ones. Doesn't beat Terminus though.

[Di]

Doesn't beat Terminus though.

Why beat it when you can join it?!

Step 1: Swing and connect!
Step 2: Reveal opposing Miracle player's Terminus.
Step 3: Cast Terminus, wipe your board!
Step 4: Concede game, drop from tournament, and buy cards to play your own damn Terminus and run a real deck.


That aside, this card seems fantastic and nobody is mentioning the value of messing with the top of the opponent's deck with Ponders/Tops etc.

[Crimhead]

I'm hoping they'll give us a fixed Recruiter that searches for a number of goblin cards I stead of "any number".

[rufus]

Well, I guess Volatile Chimera + Spy Kit are going to give us a rules update.

Otherwise, consider, for example:
Acr-Slogger with spy kit equipped has its ability activated.
Then Volatile Chimera is activated and the randomly chosen card is Lightning Bolt.

[Richard Cheese]

It's a 3 mana creature ... what shitty slow combo deck are you playing? They printed a Rule of Law on a 1/4 for 3 like 2 years ago.

The church of Griselbrand is always welcoming new members with open arms. Arms with axes instead of hands because demons and combo players don't need hands. Hands are for angels and furiously masturbating with the top 3 cards of your library for 70 minutes at a time.

Anyway yeah, turn 3 combo hate is the best combo hate.