This probably falls under "judge discretion" but I'm wondering why that would be the case at all.
You're probably seen some miscut cards that were obviously miscut from a sheet on purpose. These would not be factory miscuts but cut by someone outside of the production process. Are these legal for play? If so, why? The corners would not be perfect, correct? Only factory cut cards would have legal corners, yes?
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They're pretty much treated like alters - ie, yes the HJ's decision.
Generally speaking, they're legal for play.
I would just like to know why these and flip cards are legal, but not CE cards.
No good reason, it is one of the few levers outside the reserved list WotC can pull to put reserved list cards into circulation. They can be rounded just like the handcut stuff.
If they're marked (distinguishable from other cards in a sleeved deck) even a little, they're not legal. I've personally never seen a hand-cut card that would be legal, people cut them poorly pretty much as a rule. It's not up to the discretion of a judge, either they're marked or they're not.
Because CE cards were never intended to be tournament legal. Hence "Collector's".
It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.
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he can have them "pro"-cut = not using scissors a a nailclipper, I think I've also read something about sanding A cards into B cards in large stacks back in the day in some of the threads here... I doubt it's really noticable and anyone really cares as long as it's sleeved, there are more important things to care about than imperfect corners...
It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.
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IIRC, someone (who knows Eli) told me that they are cut on the same cutter that cuts "real" cards, so they are not factory cut in the sense that it wasn't cut for Wizards during the production process, but they are cut on the same sort of machine, using the same technique.
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Yeah you can go to a professional cutter and have sheets cut to specification like Eli Kassis. Reason IE and CE are not legal is gold border on back and square corners are easily distinguishable by touch regardless of sleeve short you putting an opaque sleeve in a toploader.
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Originally Posted by Vacrix
That's a little off, as already stated. The reason those sets have those features is because Wizards never wanted them to be tournament legal. Wizards was able to price these printings substantially lower because they were not legal for sanctioned play. Even if you modified a card from a non-legal printing to the point where it's indistinguishable from a card from a legal set, it's still an illegal card because it's from a non-legal printing.
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It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.
-David DeLaney
It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.
-David DeLaney
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