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    Welder Academy

    So I'm not really sure where the best place for Vintage stuff is or if there are forums so I figured I'd post here what I've been working on for the past few months. When I was originally getting into Vintage I basically just browsed lists for something that piqued my interest and an original Onkel list was definitely up my alley. I have tweaked and changed some things that suit my style more and have talked with him as well (sadly he's moved to more of a counterspell grixis/UR build) whereas this is more of a turbo artifact academy deck. His original one was back in November or something and is the shell for this current list, but I've been happy with this in 2-mans and getting more comfortable with it the past few months.

    I managed to 4-0 a Vintage daily here: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournamen...9485648#online so I think the deck definitely has legs. I'm pretty new to the vintage scene and am in the process of getting this list within 15 proxy range so hopefully I can bop around the northeast and get some paper games in the next year.

    Anyways here is the list currently:


    Lands:
    2 Volcanic fetch
    2 Volcanic Island
    1 island
    4 Seat of the Synod
    1 Tolarian Academy
    1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge


    Artifact Mana:
    1 Lotus
    5 Mox
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Mana Vault
    1 Sol Ring
    2 Mox Opal
    1 Lotus Petal


    Card Draw:
    4 Gitaxian Probe
    4 Thoughtcast
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Dig Through Time
    1 Ponder

    Wheels:
    1 Timetwister
    1 Wheel of Fortune
    1 Time Spiral
    1 Memory Jar
    1 Windfall

    Other Blue Shit:
    1 Time Walk
    1 Hurkyl's Recall
    1 Tinker
    1 Transmute artifact
    1 Mystical Tutor

    Artifacts:
    4 Expedition Map
    2 Voltaic Key
    1 Time Vault
    3 Sensei's Divining Top
    1 Defense Grid
    1 Trinisphere


    Greatest Creature in the History of the Game:
    2 Goblin Welder

    A tinker scrub:
    1 Myr Battlesphere

    Utility Walker:
    1 Tezzeret


    SideBoard
    4 Force of Will
    2 Chain of Vapor
    2 Steel Sabotage
    4 Grafdigger's Cage
    2 Defense Grid
    1 petrified field



    So basically this list plays like a pseudo-Belcher in that gets out of control very fast, but you get more lands and can play a slower game thoughtcasting. I'm still a vintage noob so I will refrain for now in posting matchups and stuff since some things I say will most likely be wrong and I am still practicing a bunch to better learn other matchups. The only one I will comment on is dredge, which is insanely positive. I tried out grixis artifact builds but ended up liking this higher variance style more, even if black tutors are the shit.

    Any vintage aficionados want to chime in here?
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    Re: Welder Academy

    Top 8d today's magic online power 9 challenge with King Welder and his merry band of metal trinkets. Report to follow
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    Re: Welder Academy

    Well done! Looking forward to the report! Will you post in under here?

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    Re: Welder Academy

    If anyone still hasn't seen the mini-report I put it in the source's legacy tournament report section and just posted it over on the mana drain as well.
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    Re: Welder Academy

    4-0-1 Friday trial

    Started 5-1 vintage champs.

    Sadly finished 5-3.

    Deck has serious fucking game.

    Report to follow on source and MD.
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    Re: Welder Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kap'n Cook View Post
    4-0-1 Friday trial

    Started 5-1 vintage champs.

    Sadly finished 5-3.

    Deck has serious fucking game.

    Report to follow on source and MD.
    I assume the Tezzeret you run is the Seeker sort of Tezzeret?

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    Re: Welder Academy

    Yes sir. Dude is a beast
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    Deck looked super fun on Friday. Congrats on the finish, looking forward to the report.

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    Re: Welder Academy

    Aiming to post a report tonight. I'm also going to use this thread to mark deck progress of cool stuff I pick up.

    Also marking changes I make just as a way to remember over time.

    6/7
    -1 volcanic
    -1 chrome mox
    +1 island
    +1 lotus petal

    -3 ingot chewer
    +1 force of will
    +2 steel sabotage
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    Re: Welder Academy

    Posted my report under the legacy tournament reports section. Can't post on mana drain yet as the site is down right now.

    Link for anyone who checks this thread:

    http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...637#post953637
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    Re: Welder Academy

    No updates for a year, yikes. Haven't been jamming too much vintage but that will change soon.

    Probe restriction is annoying for sure, that card gave the deck a lot of churning ability post wheel.

    Whatever, though. Paradoxical outcome is insane in this deck. New list that I am going to mess around with:


    Lands:
    2 Polluted Delta
    2 Volcanic Island
    1 island
    4 Seat of the Synod
    1 Tolarian Academy
    1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge


    Artifact Mana:
    1 Black Lotus
    5 Mox
    2 Mox Opal
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Mana Vault
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Grim Monolith


    Draw and Wheels:
    1 Gitaxian Probe
    4 Thoughtcast
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Ponder

    1 Timetwister
    1 Wheel of Fortune
    1 Time Spiral
    1 Memory Jar
    1 Windfall
    3 Paradoxical Outcome
    1 Mind's Desire


    Utility:
    1 Time Walk
    1 Tinker
    1 Mystical Tutor
    1 Chain of Vapor

    Artifacts:
    4 Expedition Map
    2 Voltaic Key
    1 Time Vault
    3 Sensei's Divining Top
    1 Defense Grid
    1 Trinisphere


    Win Conditions:
    2 Goblin Welder
    1 Tezzeret the Seeker
    1 Myr Battlesphere


    Sideboard
    4 Force of Will
    1 Chain of Vapor
    1 Hurkyl's Recall
    2 Steel Sabotage
    4 Grafdigger's Cage
    2 Defense Grid
    1 petrified field
    The Shortcake Credo:

    Canticle 1: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post785907

    Canticle 2: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post836366



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    Re: Welder Academy

    post to mark changes from previous post. Dig is too hard to fuel with no probes. Plus outcome is just better.


    MD:
    -3 Gitaxian Probe
    -1 Hurkyl's Recall
    -1 Transmute Artifact
    -1 Dig Through Time

    +3 Paradoxical Outcome
    +1 Grim Monolith
    +1 Mind's Desire
    +1 Chain of Vapor

    Sb
    -1 Chain of Vapor
    +1 Hurkyl's Recall
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    Re: Welder Academy

    Quickly made some changes. Definitely felt clunkier with all the extra high converted mana cost cards. Made the change to move lower to the ground with some preordains. The deck is definitely like a snowball you start slower and keep dropping trinkets and then you just overwhelm with so much card draw.

    Current List:

    2 Polluted Delta
    1 Volcanic Island
    2 island
    4 Seat of the Synod
    1 Tolarian Academy
    1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge


    Artifact Mana:
    1 Black Lotus
    5 Mox
    2 Mox Opal
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Mana Vault
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Grim Monolith


    Draw and Wheels:
    1 Gitaxian Probe
    4 Thoughtcast
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Ponder
    4 Preordain
    1 Frantic Search

    1 Timetwister
    1 Wheel of Fortune
    1 Time Spiral
    1 Memory Jar
    1 Paradoxical Outcome


    Utility:
    1 Time Walk
    1 Tinker
    1 Mystical Tutor
    1 Chain of Vapor
    1 Transmute Artifact

    Artifacts:
    4 Expedition Map
    2 Voltaic Key
    1 Time Vault
    3 Sensei's Divining Top
    2 Defense Grid


    Win Conditions:
    1 Goblin Welder
    1 Tezzeret the Seeker
    1 Myr Battlesphere


    Sideboard
    4 Force of Will
    1 Chain of Vapor
    1 Hurkyl's Recall
    2 Steel Sabotage
    4 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Trinisphere
    1 petrified field
    1 Goblin Welder
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    Oh man, anything with Goblin Welder and Tezz in vintage makes me hard. How as the deck been treating you recently? I really want to play some old school Tezzerator with Paradoxical Outcome but I'm worried about the severe amount of hate everyone is packing now for storm.
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    Re: Welder Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemeron View Post
    Oh man, anything with Goblin Welder and Tezz in vintage makes me hard. How as the deck been treating you recently? I really want to play some old school Tezzerator with Paradoxical Outcome but I'm worried about the severe amount of hate everyone is packing now for storm.


    Damn sorry for not responding I never expect others to actually reply about vintage on here. With the mentor restriction it's gotten a lot better since you get a tiny bit more time. The deck is still really fun, it really just comes down to how well you can slog through the infinite sideboard artifact hate. That said, decks spend so much time trying to dig for energy flux or stony silence it's not hard to bide your time setting up defense grid and chain of vapor it usually.

    Is the deck top tier? No. Is it baller drawing millions of cards, taking a million turns, making a million mana, and playing a million broken restricted cards? You bet your ass it is. And it plays goblin welder. 'Nuff said
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    Re: Welder Academy

    3-3 in yesterday's challenge for 27th place.

    Decklist:

    https://magic.wizards.com/en/article...nge-2017-10-01


    Started off 0-3 against Shops, Blue-red shit, and then Legacy Rug delver vintage-ified.

    Some highlights (lowlights) were getting ready to go bananas vs shops and having a wasteland topdecked when on 0 cards to wreck my T-school, a Time Spiral with infinite mana ready drawing lands and mana and no business, main deck null rod out of delver, a By Force against me for 7 of my artifacts and I think 3 Turn 1 Defense Grids meeting Force of Will.

    After the 0-3 start I managed to beat Oath, Dredge, and Bug little dudes. Tinker Battlesphere was the champ in round 6.

    Was certainly a little rusty to start because I forgot my golden rule of always wheel if you can because you never know when you'll draw Vault-Key-Lotus. Beyond that I'm not sure where I want to tweak the deck. It's either make it more reactive or more busted because in sideboard games you are always facing a ton of hate. Leaning the busted way because why play vintage if you aren't trying to do the most insane things possible. For the busted path decision tree there's two more branches: I might go with a black splash in addition to a 1 welder/1 wheel maindeck splash so I can run Vamp/Demonic and Tezz Gangster Edition or branch B go with more Paradoxical Outcomes, not really sure. I like both these plans because Defense Grid is still really good. The reactive side is to shave stuff down so that I can fit my 4 force of wills maindeck.

    Those are the main ideas. The most fun idea would be to put a heavier Welder package in and go for an Extended-Style deck sideboard plan of Teen Titans and just weld in some boss bitches. Who knows, but that's at the least the benefit of running a cool, albeit not tier 1 deck.
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