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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    @Barook

    Yeah, that is strictly better. EDIT: Plus, I just found the "why" on the 2nd Plains. I knew I had a reason and had forgotten it. I only own 3 Caverns online and have been too cheap to buy the 4th.

    @Delvis

    Ghost Quarter is a very interesting option. I dunno if I am sold on trying it immediately, but I'll certainly be riding this Eldrazi train out, so I am sure I'll be trying lots of different things.

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Personally, I'd love to call the deck Ramen Stompy, but oh well.

    Did someone also watch Andrea Mengucci's videos on CFB? He's championing Mishra's Factory over Wasteland and I can see why. While having Wastelands, I actually didn't use them too often, particularly against Wasteland decks. I needed the mana. For now, I'm trying factories.

    I'm also wondering if there is a bit more to be said about mulliganing, particularly vs. certain archetypes. I feel there is a lot to be gained from knowing how to mulligan well with this deck, and in testing, I had a few hands that I regarded borderline keeps that turned out great (especially with the scry). Do you have general rules for mulliganing?

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by wortwelt View Post
    Personally, I'd love to call the deck Ramen Stompy, but oh well.

    Did someone also watch Andrea Mengucci's videos on CFB? He's championing Mishra's Factory over Wasteland and I can see why. While having Wastelands, I actually didn't use them too often, particularly against Wasteland decks. I needed the mana. For now, I'm trying factories.

    I'm also wondering if there is a bit more to be said about mulliganing, particularly vs. certain archetypes. I feel there is a lot to be gained from knowing how to mulligan well with this deck, and in testing, I had a few hands that I regarded borderline keeps that turned out great (especially with the scry). Do you have general rules for mulliganing?
    Budget reasons aside, I had the same line of thought with my original GW build that you don't want to kill your own lands. Factory has some advantages over Wasteland, but Wasteland is also the better card in certain match-ups like the mirror or when you want to get of some annoying lands like Ports.


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    Eldrazi Stompy

    Lands
    4x Ancient Tomb
    4x Cavern of Souls
    2x Crystal Vein
    2x City of Traitors
    4x Eldrazi Temple
    3x Eye of Ugin
    1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    2x Vesuva
    4x Wasteland

    Creatures
    4x Eldrazi Mimic
    2x Endbringer
    4x Endless One
    2x Oblivion Sower
    4x Reality Smasher
    4x Thought-Knot Seer

    Instants
    2x Dismember
    1x Warping Wail

    Sorcery
    1x All is Dust

    Artifacts
    2x Chalice of the Void
    2x Crucible of Worlds
    2x Mox Diamond
    2x Sensei's Divining Top
    2x Umezawa's Jitte

    Notes:
    Crucible of Worlds - Really good since the deck dies to Wasteland. Also you can do your own Waste-lock if needed. Also very good with Mox Diamond, Crystal Vein, and City of Traitors.

    Sensei's Divining Top - This deck suffers one of the big problems D&T suffers which is top decking. Every match I've drawn top I've felt that I have had a more efficient game. I'd recommend two, it's good if you draw it, but no huge deal if you don't. Also it gives you more keep-able hands.

    All is Dust - I like the card and it can just blowout a late game. It also costs 2 less due Eye of Ugin.

    Vesuva - This is really sweet. It's great in the mirror match, it's great when you're playing against decks that run Cavern of Souls. Also there are plenty of decks that run lands that this deck runs.

    Sideboard
    2x Dismember
    2x Grafdigger's Cage
    1x Karakas
    2x Mindbreak Trap
    2x Pithing Needle
    2x Ratchet Bomb
    2x Phyrexian Revoker
    2x Warping Wail

    This is my take. But try out Sensei's Divining Top. I have been greatly pleased by it.
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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Dear God, no. Don't turn from Dice_Box into a Dick_Box
    You are killing all my fun.

    A realistic point, I do not think Holly can change the title, I think I have to. So if there is to be a name change, he calls the shot's because he wrote the primer. If I am asked to change the title I will, but if not people will just have to accept things as they are.

    Just to add, this does feel like a slightly under powered Shops deck. It's not as explosive, it's not quite as controlling but they do feel much the same. This is much closer to Shops for me then MUD is. While Shops is a deck named after Mishra's Workshop, it's a deck built around the concept of locking out mana while building a non symmetrical mana advantage for yourself. That is also how this deck plays.

    So while the deck of course can not utilise Mishra's Workshop, the concept behind the decks that do is alive here. Now while I agree the name looks out of place, as a Shops enthusiast it does not feel out of place to me.
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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Hey there,
    I chose the name because I feared otherwise some people might lament about it, oh the irony.
    However I don’t care about it so change it to just “Eldrazi Stompy” or Tentacle Love, Japanese Porn, Killer Eldrazis from outer Space (or blind eternities) or the name from some Lovecraft story, I could provide some ideas of those.
    So yeah Dice_Box, please change the name to Eldrazi Stompy, thank you :)

    I’d also enjoy some more feedback and what I could write/do better about the actual primer, not just its name :)


    Anyway some good news: I couldn’t sleep last night so managed to write a bit more.

    -Fixed some brainfarts (though there are still way more in the text, I’m terrible at proof reading, specially myself)
    - Added Rishadan Port
    - Added Lotus Petal
    - Added the benefit of Ghostquarter as poor mans fetchland
    - Added matchups for: Infect, Reanimator, Dredge, Burn, Painter

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinTurkey View Post

    Notes:
    Crucible of Worlds - Really good since the deck dies to Wasteland. Also you can do your own Waste-lock if needed. Also very good with Mox Diamond, Crystal Vein, and City of Traitors.
    I'm curious, where are you getting "this deck dies to wasteland" from? That's not been my experience at all, so I'm genuinely curious why you feel this way?

    My biggest problems (by orders of magnitude) are how to deal with Blood Moon and Ensnaring Bridges, without splashing a color for something like World Breaker. Those cards are a SERIOUS pain to deal with and all the "normal" options (Ratchet Bomb, All is dust, etc) are all very slow....

    Really considering trying out O. Stone as an alternative.

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral_Arzar View Post
    Pretty sure I could never contribute again to a thread that in any way references that band.
    Oh, come now. It's tongue-in-cheek, anyway. Just imagine it:

    [DTB] My Tentacle Romance (Eldrazi Stompy)

    -sheds tear- It's beautiful.

    Anyway, I'm just playing around. Like I said, I'm painfully aware how alone I am in wanting to call it that. :P Sorry Dice_Box, I don't think there's enough interest to change it to MTR.

    Regarding O-Stone, that's one that's been sitting in the back of my mind recently, too. That and Nevinyrral's Disk. Disk is faster than Ratchet Bomb off the top but is less surgical. Stone is quite expensive.
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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinTurkey View Post
    2x Chalice of the Void
    If you're going to play Chalice in any deck, you want 4 of it. It's a terrible mid-late top deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhoxWarMonk View Post
    I'm curious, where are you getting "this deck dies to wasteland" from? That's not been my experience at all, so I'm genuinely curious why you feel this way?

    My biggest problems (by orders of magnitude) are how to deal with Blood Moon and Ensnaring Bridges, without splashing a color for something like World Breaker. Those cards are a SERIOUS pain to deal with and all the "normal" options (Ratchet Bomb, All is dust, etc) are all very slow....

    Really considering trying out O. Stone as an alternative.
    I usually play Goblins and in my matchups, whenever I waste two of the Sol Lands, the Eldrazi deck has a hard time recovering. So being able to get back those lands later in the game has been working well when I test. Also I find that I personally have very bad mulligans, so I may just not be having the luck and speed other players have been getting!!

    It's no lands = no spells mentality.

    I do agree that Blood Moon and Ensnaring Bridges are harder to deal with. I run them in my own sideboard for Goblins.

    I like Oblivion Stone though! I'll try it out myself.
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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual View Post
    If you're going to play Chalice in any deck, you want 4 of it. It's a terrible mid-late top deck.
    I've been feeling that as well. Thanks for the advice.
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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by Delvis View Post
    Oh, come now. It's tongue-in-cheek, anyway. Just imagine it:

    [DTB] My Tentacle Romance (Eldrazi Stompy)

    -sheds tear- It's beautiful.

    Anyway, I'm just playing around. Like I said, I'm painfully aware how alone I am in wanting to call it that. :P Sorry Dice_Box, I don't think there's enough interest to change it to MTR.

    Regarding O-Stone, that's one that's been sitting in the back of my mind recently, too. That and Nevinyrral's Disk. Disk is faster than Ratchet Bomb off the top but is less surgical. Stone is quite expensive.
    Nevinyrral's Disk is a good suggestion and can easily be pushed through with a blood moon already in play. I like this alternative, I think Ill try a couple of copies in my sideboard when I play again next.

    You're absolutely right in that O Stone is quite expensive, so it wasn't my favorite choice to suggest (just the first thing that seemed to pop into my head). At that point, might just be better off playing All is Dust instead, at least it doesn't affect your side of the board.

    I'll give Disk some love and see how it fairs, right now we really need a colorless way to remove those hate cards that will likely be coming up in droves as this deck gains popularity.

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by RhoxWarMonk View Post
    Nevinyrral's Disk is a good suggestion and can easily be pushed through with a blood moon already in play. I like this alternative, I think Ill try a couple of copies in my sideboard when I play again next.
    We're resorting to Nev Disk now? I look forward to hearing how it worked for you, but I'm a bit skeptical. At this point, how long before Eye of Doom enters the discussion? At least is enters untapped and has a higher floor than Disk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGB View Post
    Having "Shops" in the deck name is absolutely retarded. The reason you call any deck a "Shops" deck is because, um, Mishra's Workshop is the most important card in that deck. No deck should have "Shops" in the title unless it is specifically running that land, imho.

    I don't know why this thread title wasn't just "[DTB] Eldrazi Stompy". Eldrazi Shops just sounds ridiculous.
    Couldn't agree with you more. Eldrazi Shops doesn't make fit the deck at all. A.) It is a stompy deck running the classic Sol Land manabase ala the traditional Fairy Stompy, Angel Stompy, Dragon Stompy, Demon Stompy and Beast Stompy decks. B.) It doesn't even play Mishra's Workshop. C.) The name makes me picture a Chituchuli getting groceries.

    Whoever came up with that nonsensical name and why is it being used in lieu. of just calling the deck what it is, Eldrazi Stompy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    We're resorting to Nev Disk now? I look forward to hearing how it worked for you, but I'm a bit skeptical. At this point, how long before Eye of Doom enters the discussion? At least is enters untapped and has a higher floor than Disk.
    Honestly, I'm just looking for a credible way to get rid of Blood Moon and Bridges. All is Dust (so far) has been the best option I've tried but at 7 mana and having all your sol lands shut off, it's sometimes way too expensive.

    Nev Disk probably isn't correct either but I'm not entirely sure what the best route to go is against these type of cards.

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by RhoxWarMonk View Post
    Honestly, I'm just looking for a credible way to get rid of Blood Moon and Bridges. All is Dust (so far) has been the best option I've tried but at 7 mana and having all your sol lands shut off, it's sometimes way too expensive.

    Nev Disk probably isn't correct either but I'm not entirely sure what the best route to go is against these type of cards.
    All is Dust doesn't remove Bridge though

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Budget reasons aside, I had the same line of thought with my original GW build that you don't want to kill your own lands. Factory has some advantages over Wasteland, but Wasteland is also the better card in certain match-ups like the mirror or when you want to get of some annoying lands like Ports.
    I actually quite like Ports of your own in that slot. Doesn't disrupt Lage which is certainly annoying, but it does turn off enemy mana while still allowing you to keep yours, opens up turns where enemy can't Port you and, as you said, you want the mana around anyways a fair bit of time but so it gives you a disruptive land that sticks with you for when you need the mana.

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy/Shops

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    All is Dust doesn't remove Bridge though
    Ratchet Bomb does but it's slow. Honestly if Bridge becomes a big player in the meta this deck needs to splash green for World Breaker.
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