BigEldrazi

[MGB]

How do you find it playing without needles or spyglasses in your 75?

Also 4 City of traitors seems like it could be so rough, how is that working out for you?

The thing about needle/spyglass is ... against some decks it's great (Sneak'n'Show) but against other decks it's almost a blank. I'd rather play cards that pretty good against nearly everything instead. And really, Ensnaring Bridge and Warping Wail are usually enough against Sneak'n'Show decks.

4 City of Traitors is mandatory, imho, because you just want as much mana as fast as possible. Yes, the drawback can suck at times, but you want as many opportunities to power out Grim Monolith or Chalice of the Void as soon as possible.

[Von]

I think it's never wrong to t least board needle affects
I realize it could be a meta call but i think there enough utility to warrant a slot. Eg for wasteland things.

I think the difference between 3 and 4 city is probably neglogable. You'll power out stuff more often with 4 but will probably have to mull more as well.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

What's everyone's opinion on keeping/mulling hands that include chalice and key?
What about multiple keys?
What about turn one chalices that would then blank your held keys?

[JeezXrist]

I think it's never wrong to t least board needle affects
I realize it could be a meta call but i think there enough utility to warrant a slot. Eg for wasteland things.

I think the difference between 3 and 4 city is probably neglogable. You'll power out stuff more often with 4 but will probably have to mull more as well.

For me, Spyglasses, Needles and Revokers are always a meta call. I always adjust the build depending on what decks I have scouted. I even tried going for a build with 4 of each when the meta was like a lot of Wasteland decks and Storm.

[JeezXrist]

What's everyone's opinion on keeping/mulling hands that include chalice and key?
What about multiple keys?
What about turn one chalices that would then blank your held keys?

For me, it depends on who's playing first. If I'm on the play and let's say I have a Chalice and 2 key's, 3 lands and something else, then I'll keep. That 1st turn Chalice for 1 is a counter magnet and most likely be countered. The good thing is it'll pave the way for resolving your other spells next turn.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

4 wastelands in half the top 28? 17/28 running some number of wasteland? Ut oh. Ok, I'll just play more key-centric Scrying glass buil....
Oh they're also playing 4 daze, FoW, AND stifle??? Ok this might be harder....
UH, what was MUD's matchup against tempo pre DRS because these Legacy Challange results don't look good!

[Hanni]

I don't really think Stifle matters. Although if the meta starts to become saturated with Wasteland, maindeck Spyglass looks like a good idea.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I don't really think Stifle matters. Although if the meta starts to become saturated with Wasteland, maindeck Spyglass looks like a good idea.

I played stifle for a long time before I adopted this deck, let me tell you that a well placed stifle can effect nearly every deck hard. What makes nearly all of our threats so unfair is the abilities tacked onto them. a TKS without the Exile effect is a 4/4 that gives cards when it dies. A stifled Ugin on the -X when you were going to turn the game around? If the stifle Newlamog they retain the mana to answer it. Luckily stifle is adversely affected by trinisphere and chalice, which just highlights the value of being more controlish going forward.

[TLK]

This deck took down the SCG Legacy Classic this past weekend. I built it on MTGO and ran it through a Comp League, going 4-1. I was one turn away from a 5-0.

Round 1 vs Grixis - 2-1 WIN
Round 2 vs Sneak and Show - 1-2 LOSS (Here I won G1, but lost G2 to Release the Ants. I essentially needed an Ulamog within my top 18 cards so that he'd lose the clash but that never happened. Game 3 I had him down to 5 with a Reality Smasher on board and Spyglass naming Sneak Attack and he topdecked a Show & Tell).
Round 3 vs UW Stoneblade - 2-0 WIN
Round 4 vs RB Reanimator - 2-1 WIN (It's nice when your opponent concedes to a Turn 0 Leyline of the Void.)
Round 5 vs Storm - 2-1 WIN (Game 3 he mulls to 4 or 5 and my Chalice on 0 seals it.)

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

This deck took down the SCG Legacy Classic this past weekend. I built it on MTGO and ran it through a Comp League, going 4-1. I was one turn away from a 5-0.

Round 1 vs Grixis - 2-1 WIN
Round 2 vs Sneak and Show - 1-2 LOSS (Here I won G1, but lost G2 to Release the Ants. I essentially needed an Ulamog within my top 18 cards so that he'd lose the clash but that never happened. Game 3 I had him down to 5 with a Reality Smasher on board and Spyglass naming Sneak Attack and he topdecked a Show & Tell).
Round 3 vs UW Stoneblade - 2-0 WIN
Round 4 vs RB Reanimator - 2-1 WIN (It's nice when your opponent concedes to a Turn 0 Leyline of the Void.)
Round 5 vs Storm - 2-1 WIN (Game 3 he mulls to 4 or 5 and my Chalice on 0 seals it.)

Good job!
Post your list!
Have you seen an increase of wasteland?

[TLK]

Good job!
Post your list!
Have you seen an increase of wasteland?

Not at all. I didn't see a single Wasteland in that entire League, which I'm sure is directly correlated to my success. If Wasteland is nowhere to be found then this deck should thrive.

List is the following:

4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
3 Walking Ballista
2 Endbringer
4 Matter Reshaper
3 Simian Spirit Guide
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

4 Chalice of the Void
3 Grim Monolith
3 Trinisphere
2 All Is Dust

4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Cloudpost
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Glimmerpost
2 Vesuva
3 Eye of Ugin
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth


2 Ratchet Bomb
3 Sorcerous Spyglass
2 Faerie Macabre
3 Leyline of the Void
2 Dismember
3 Mindbreak Trap

[JeezXrist]

Not at all. I didn't see a single Wasteland in that entire League, which I'm sure is directly correlated to my success. If Wasteland is nowhere to be found then this deck should thrive.

List is the following:

4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
3 Walking Ballista
2 Endbringer
4 Matter Reshaper
3 Simian Spirit Guide
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

4 Chalice of the Void
3 Grim Monolith
3 Trinisphere
2 All Is Dust

4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Cloudpost
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Glimmerpost
2 Vesuva
3 Eye of Ugin
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth


2 Ratchet Bomb
3 Sorcerous Spyglass
2 Faerie Macabre
3 Leyline of the Void
2 Dismember
3 Mindbreak Trap

Hi there, I'd like to ask if what's the Faerie Macabre's other role in this build. Is it an extension of the Leylines? Is 4 Leylines not enough in terms of GY hate? Thanks

[TLK]

Hi there, I'd like to ask if what's the Faerie Macabre's other role in this build. Is it an extension of the Leylines? Is 4 Leylines not enough in terms of GY hate? Thanks

I had the same question after I played the League to be honest. I think the Leyline count can go up to 4 and the 2 Macabre can be cut for something else - probably another tool to fight against Sneak & Show.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I had the same question after I played the League to be honest. I think the Leyline count can go up to 4 and the 2 Macabre can be cut for something else - probably another tool to fight against Sneak & Show.

If you're expecting a lot of graveyard decks like many people were after the ban having both is a boon. Remember that there ones that can do run Revenant Silence which takes care of any number of leyline and isn't a dead draw. It's a meta call.

[TLK]

If you're expecting a lot of graveyard decks like many people were after the ban having both is a boon. Remember that there ones that can do run Revenant Silence which takes care of any number of leyline and isn't a dead draw. It's a meta call.

Correct - I'd just rather max out on Leyline than run a 3/2 split moving forward I think. Plus, either is only not a dead draw if you have your 1-of Urborg.

[MGB]

Well Yesterday I placed #4 in the Starcitygames Legacy Classic in Philadelphia, PA with this list:

http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/122557

Eldrazi Post was doing well in everyone's hands at that tournament. Aside from my Top-4 showing, Joseph Cockrell placed #8 with a similar version of the deck (http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/122560), and Allison Warfield placed #15 with the more midrange-Eldrazi-focused version of the deck (http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/122567).

The deck felt really strong all day. I slid through the Swiss like a knife through hot butter beating everything with relative ease. I only lost in the Swiss to Michael Derczo (really good player) on Death n Taxes in a close, grindy match due to a barrage of Phyrexian Revokers, Wastelands, and Rishadan Ports in G2 & G3. I lost to U/W Helm Control in the Top-4 despite winning G1 because he landed Back to Basics in G2 and G3 on Turn 3 both games and I didn't have enough artifact mana to escape that lock (in g2 i didn't have any and in g3 he disenchanted my voltaic key, locking my grim monolith out).

On the day I played:

R1: Eldrazi Aggro W 2-0
R2: Mono Black Pox W 2-1
R3: Miracles W 2-0
R4: Miracles? (I forget exactly but some blue deck that I beat easily) W 2-0
R5: U/R Burn W 2-0
R6: Death n Taxes L 1-2
R7: Sneak n Show W 2-1
R8: ID

Quarterfinals: Infect W 2-1
Semifinals: U/W Helm L 1-2

In all honesty, I feel like the deck is being underplayed right now. After its #1 showing at the Legacy Classic in SCG Worcester, its continued top placings online in my hands and the hands of others, and this most recent strong showing at another Classic, I honestly feel as if the deck is probably in the Tier 1 or just outside of the Tier 1 of the Legacy metagame right now. It beats nearly everything pretty consistently and only really struggles against Loam + Wasteland decks (Aggro Loam and Lands) which are not being played heavily now, and it sometimes struggles against Death n taxes but the matchup is somewhat manageable with All is Dust and Karakas complementing the other stuff.

At the very least this thread should be moved to the "Established" section of the forums. :-P

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Well Yesterday I placed #4 in the Starcitygames Legacy Classic in Philadelphia, PA with this list:

http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/122557

Eldrazi Post was doing well in everyone's hands at that tournament. Aside from my Top-4 showing, Joseph Cockrell placed #8 with a similar version of the deck (http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/122560), and Allison Warfield placed #15 with the more midrange-Eldrazi-focused version of the deck (http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/122567).

The deck felt really strong all day. I slid through the Swiss like a knife through hot butter beating everything with relative ease. I only lost in the Swiss to Michael Derczo (really good player) on Death n Taxes in a close, grindy match due to a barrage of Phyrexian Revokers, Wastelands, and Rishadan Ports in G2 & G3. I lost to U/W Helm Control in the Top-4 despite winning G1 because he landed Back to Basics in G2 and G3 on Turn 3 both games and I didn't have enough artifact mana to escape that lock (in g2 i didn't have any and in g3 he disenchanted my voltaic key, locking my grim monolith out).

On the day I played:

R1: Eldrazi Aggro W 2-0
R2: Mono Black Pox W 2-1
R3: Miracles W 2-0
R4: Miracles? (I forget exactly but some blue deck that I beat easily) W 2-0
R5: U/R Burn W 2-0
R6: Death n Taxes L 1-2
R7: Sneak n Show W 2-1
R8: ID

Quarterfinals: Infect W 2-1
Semifinals: U/W Helm L 1-2

In all honesty, I feel like the deck is being underplayed right now. After its #1 showing at the Legacy Classic in SCG Worcester, its continued top placings online in my hands and the hands of others, and this most recent strong showing at another Classic, I honestly feel as if the deck is probably in the Tier 1 or just outside of the Tier 1 of the Legacy metagame right now. It beats nearly everything pretty consistently and only really struggles against Loam + Wasteland decks (Aggro Loam and Lands) which are not being played heavily now, and it sometimes struggles against Death n taxes but the matchup is somewhat manageable with All is Dust and Karakas complementing the other stuff.

At the very least this thread should be moved to the "Established" section of the forums. :-P

I think the deck is underplayed right now because it has a terrible delver matchup. Every time I play against wasteland/daze I'm dead on two mana with all my mana rocks in the bin.

[MGB]

I think the deck is underplayed right now because it has a terrible delver matchup. Every time I play against wasteland/daze I'm dead on two mana with all my mana rocks in the bin.

Well, it hasn't been enough of an issue to dissuade me so far. The deck has single-handedly brought my ELO rating on MODO to right around 1800 consistently and allowed me to go "infinite" with prize tickets and I've cashed nearly every paper event I've played with the deck in the past year or so...

[say no to scurvy]

I've trying to build this deck. What's the consensus on the mana rocks? The one at the classic played 3 grims. The MTGO challenge played 2 grims / 2 basalts. I've seen combinations of keys and dynamos. There has to be an overall optimum combination, right?

[TLK]

No real consensus. Depends on what your aim is. Some people like the explosiveness and Wasteland protection of the mana rock version, whereas others prefer the consistency of the fewer mana rock version as you're not just drawing a bunch of mana without a payoff.